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If politicians were mathematicians

27 点作者 jonp大约 15 年前

7 条评论

dagw大约 15 年前
I think the writer gives too much credit to mathematicians and too little to politicians. Politics doesn't look the way it looks because politicians are too stupid to understand your counterargument. I'm sure most politicians are well aware of the logical inconsistencies or fallacies in their argument, but more importantly they realize that their arguments and talking points are a means to an end and not an end in themselves and you don't get bonus points for correctness.
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dkarl大约 15 年前
Totally backwards in blaming the politicians instead of the consumers/fans of this entertainment/sporting event. If politicians started following his logical rules, the first person who came along and started breaking them would bury everybody else, because the voters would feel alienated and betrayed by logical politicians.<p>If, by magic, <i>nobody</i> in political life argued dishonestly, then the only politicians who reflected the beliefs and the emotions of the electorate would be politicians who were just as poorly informed and incompetent at logical thought as the voters. One thing hypocrisy and illogic buy us is politicians who are smarter and better-informed than the people who vote for them. Sarah Palin sticks out like a sore thumb precisely because she exemplifies the average voter instead of just pandering to them.
tokenadult大约 15 年前
Gowers is a very brilliant man. But he supposes that most human errors in reasoning about public policy are linked to formal invalidity of the reasoning. The human mind is beset by many forms of irrationality.<p><a href="http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=9780300123852" rel="nofollow">http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=97803001238...</a><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/What-Intelligence-Tests-Miss-Psychology/dp/030012385X" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/What-Intelligence-Tests-Miss-Psycholog...</a><p>Research does not suggest that formal training in mathematics does anything to improve the quality of discourse on public policy. Please note that I write this as a teacher of mathematics. I like mathematics and think that mathematical thinking is helpful, but I don't expect it to have much help for public discussion of policy.
yequalsx大约 15 年前
The problem as I see it is that it's hard to form rules to discourage bad thinking and practices. It's not like we can imprison people for engaging in stupid arguments. Else, everyone - myself included - would be in prison. Short of such draconian consequences it's hard to find a system of incentives that encourage good thinking in the long run.<p>It's sort of like the bill being proposed in Congress that would limit lawmakers' ability to be lobbyists. It's a noble gesture but doomed to failure. A congressman wrote the part of the Medicare Prescription Plan that prevents Medicare from negotiating prices of drugs. He's now a $2 million a year lobbyist. If he couldn't be a lobbyist he'd be a 'consultant' or a 'researcher'. It just doesn't work.<p>The essence of the problem is that it's tough to fight apathy, ignorance, and stupidity. Collectively we are easily manipulated. Look at how many people think Sarah Palin is smart. If you don't tackle the issues of apathy, ignorance, and stupidity then you get the current system and no set of rules is going to change this.<p>As voters, we need to collectively focus on the qualities of a candidate and not which party they are in. Is the candidate smart? Does the candidate show signs of loving to learn? Is the candidate willing to say something like, "You know what? I'm not an expert in nuclear proliferation. There are lots of them around and I'll listen to their counsel and make a good choice." Is the candidate able to see through bullshit?<p>We've got it all wrong and in this sense I agree with Gowers. He has a creative solution. In the long run it won't help. Greed, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity are too rampant.
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edw519大约 15 年前
tl;dr (too logical; didn't read)<p>Now if it had been <i>punchy, amusing, and wrong</i>, but on Powerpoint with the stereo on, I would have voted for that. Oh wait, never mind.
steamer25大约 15 年前
Tangential thought I've had around electoral transparency:<p>If you had (open schematic/open source) electronic voting equipment, you could issue a hashed/random ID on receipt of a ballot. After accumulating a number of votes, the ballot data is published alongside the secret IDs and can then be audited by the respective voters.
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DanielBMarkham大约 15 年前
<i>...To make the system more theatrical, each MP could be given a certain number of cards that was less than the number of votes to be held...</i><p>I'm sure this is a good article, but I couldn't help but think of fizzbin