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I Knew Chelsea Manning in Basic Training. Here’s the Story You Haven’t Heard

60 点作者 jackgavigan超过 8 年前

11 条评论

justin_vanw超过 8 年前
So as a veteran I can certainly remember the annoying kids in basic training that couldn&#x27;t really keep up. I think every veteran can remember some folks they went to training with that could barely hack it.<p>But what&#x27;s the point of harping on it years later? I don&#x27;t think anyone would be surprised that Manning was a &#x27;bad soldier&#x27;.<p>Then there is a bunch totally unrelated stuff that happened much later, took a huge amount of courage, and led to arrest and imprisonment.
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makecheck超过 8 年前
This type of article amounts to “ad hominem attack”. Whether or not any of this is true <i>does not matter</i> when fairly judging the <i>actions</i> of the same person.<p>In other words, forget what you know about the person and consider only what they did.
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xutopia超过 8 年前
The arguments in this open as to why we shouldn&#x27;t like Chelsea Manning was that she misunderstood social cues, didn&#x27;t respond well eating a whole meal within 2 minutes and 45 seconds, and complained she couldn&#x27;t do it about a few of the idiotic exercises you are asked to do.<p>Yeah no shit... military training is ridiculous. I think a lot of us have enough sense to not ever join.
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bryanrasmussen超过 8 年前
Yes sir, given the sharp picture this article paints her actions in leaking while in boot camp was just another example of someone refusing to get with the program. Either that or the two things don&#x27;t really have much to do with each other...<p>I find it weird, the implication in the article is of a weak person.<p>So, she leaked classified material and went to prison because she was weak, which sure is a narrative alright. I bet the author of the piece is mentally, morally and physically strong enough to never leak classified material, destroy their life and suffer greatly for doing something that has no appreciable benefit to them.<p>So the logic goes like this: Manning was different, therefore Manning was weak, Manning did something the author and other people at boot camp wouldn&#x27;t therefore Manning is still different therefore still weak. Weak, weak, weak not strong like the author and other soldiers who cohere together to value commitment and loyalty, manly non-weak virtues that weakling Manning could never know.<p>Anyway, really it seems a little unlikely given this description of Manning as a soldier that she would ever have gotten through basic. So I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if there are a few lies sprucing up the main point of the article, which main point being that Manning is weak and we should feel a sort of moral disgust about that condition of weakness.<p>ah well, the writing was just awful. Maybe that&#x27;s why I ascribe an awful world view to it.
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wtfishackernews超过 8 年前
I don&#x27;t understand everyone picking on military training practices. They don&#x27;t do that for fun or to humiliate you, they do it to prepare you for combat. You sign up for that when you join the military.
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arbitrage超过 8 年前
So, if she had all of these problems in training, why didn&#x27;t she wash out?
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Sone7超过 8 年前
He rails on her for the entire article as a quitter.<p>... But she didn&#x27;t quit. Kinda diminishes his entire point for me.
JoeAltmaier超过 8 年前
Reads like a classic co-dependent personality? Always trying to stand out by eliciting sympathy for weakness. &quot;Poor me, I can&#x27;t do this stuff&quot;. Even to the point of faking choking. Isn&#x27;t there some psychiatric examination to detect this early on?
qntty超过 8 年前
Sounds like she was a sane person in an insane environment
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georgehaake超过 8 年前
Impressive recall.
apeacox超过 8 年前
Well, you haven&#x27;t to be a soldier to be a hero.