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Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

360 点作者 whyleym大约 15 年前

31 条评论

nopal大约 15 年前
This sounds like someone at Fortune trying to do something industrious and then getting smacked by the higher-ups.<p>I wonder how many good ideas are quashed simply because of policy.
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WestCoastJustin大约 15 年前
Personally, I like that he is standing up for himself.<p>Playing chicken with Arrington might not be the best idea. From what I've seen in the past (posts like this) he is more than open about what people say in (assumed) private e-mails/phone calls.<p>My guess is they back off shortly. No one likes having their dirty laundry airing to the public. Thought they could push him around behind closed doors.
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yosho大约 15 年前
I'm going to side on Arrington on this one, even though sometimes, he likes to make a big deal out of something small like removing a few words from his post.
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mhartl大约 15 年前
I don't support everything Michael Arrington does, but I love how he's never afraid of a fight. People who think they pwn you just because they have a couple of lawyers on retainer need to have threats like this shoved back in their faces. Whether it's a bluff or not, kudos to Arrington for calling it.
huntero大约 15 年前
"I’d love to chat with you about FORTUNE’s exclusive excerpt of David Kirkpatrick’s book on Facebook"<p>"note that the story stems from an exclusive excerpt in FORTUNE of David Kirkpatrick’s new book The Facebook Effect."<p>"once you’ve read the excerpts, please let me know if you choose not to post on one and not the other or both"<p>The use of the words "exclusive" and "on" seem to make it pretty clear that he was supposed to post ABOUT the excerpts. Their intent may be antiquated, but I think it was clearly communicated.
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staunch大约 15 年前
Arrington has a law degree, millions of dollars, and a massively popular platform. He don't scare easy.
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petercooper大约 15 年前
I've always felt that Arrington is a pragmatist and rationalist working in a field made up of antiquated policies, back-stabbing PR people, and bizarre ethics that it would take a lifetime to learn. As a pro-blogger, of sorts, I can certainly sympathize.
mikecane大约 15 年前
That Simon &#38; Schuster got involved says something. Fortune probably paid to run the excerpt -- a subsidiary right in the original book contract -- and then goofed in asking for free pimping from Arrington in the manner that they did. In other words, from the publisher's point of view, Arrington was getting a free ride that S&#38;S believed he should have paid for. Fortune's mistake.
invisible大约 15 年前
The huge problem here is that they provided him all of this content and neglected to say, "Slim this down and use no more than 115 words." They neglected to give him a guideline to follow - and better yet, they should have just given him what he needed to create the post and nothing more.<p>If someone comes to me and says, "Create a post based on all of this content," I am not going to take the time to pick and choose selectively what the reader sees. Why should he take the time to inconvenience his readers?
SkyMarshal大约 15 年前
Sometimes shit just happens. Let it go, move on.<p>The mistake here wasn't a miscommunication, it was in not realizing the cat was out of the bag and just cutting your losses.<p>Just like you can't get unpregnant, you can't retract stuff once it's posted on one of the web's top blogs. Fortune's type A control freak lawyers still need to learn that it seems.<p>The correct response from Fortune:<p>"Oops, that's not what we intended, but oh well, lesson learned - next time be more specific. Fuck it dude, lets go bowling."
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RuadhanMc大约 15 年前
It's a douche-douche situation.
mike463大约 15 年前
Actually, all this hoopla got me to <i>read</i> the excerpts, and I'm thinking about getting the book (when it comes out).<p>so... then I wonder... Is this -- all of this -- clever advertising?
techiferous大约 15 年前
This looks like a routine miscommunication that happens all the time in business. Usually you just patch up the misunderstanding and move on. I think Arrington loves to fight, so he escalated it. So what? Why is this on Hacker News?
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acqq大约 15 年前
Arrington is clearly wrong. It's clear that nobody told him to copy paste the whole content, or gave him the permission. He just trolls now for more hits. But he'd just lose if he'd come to court.
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abalashov大约 15 年前
Arrington's just being Arrington. Nothing to be done about that.<p>Characteristically, he is ebulliently and abrasively assertive--indeed, at times belligerent--of his right to publish whatever he feels like publishing that day, and often frames it as a freedom of speech issue in a commercial context.<p>This is a trait of, on the one hand, some of the world's most venerable investigative journalists and insightful commentators, but, on the other hand, also of the sleazy yellow press and fraternal unprincipled viewership/readership/ratings whores with more ignoble motives.<p>As far as I can tell, TechCrunch is a slightly less toxic kind of Daily Mail. It should not be controversial to any reasonable person that there is merit to both sides of the issue insofar as lack of initial explicit prohibition on publication of whole excerpts does not necessarily mean it was categorically acceptable, nor does it mean that any demands for retroactive remedies from Fortune are irrelevant. On the other hand, they are obviously both trying to bully him and do something quite stupid.
edw519大约 15 年前
I once had a friend who never forgot a birthday or holiday. I always got a card from him. The problem was that it was always a card <i>that someone else had sent him</i>. He scribbled over their message and wrote his own, then added a lame message, "I'm doing my part by recycling."<p>This went on for years and I hated it. It wasn't funny anymore and I didn't want to read what others had written to him.<p>Then it hit me... Who was reading all the cards I had sent him?<p>Michael Arrington is like that friend. I will probably never send him an email because I don't want anyone else (much less the whole world) reading it.
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tkeller大约 15 年前
Yeah, this seems like an unbiased account. I bet there's NO information he left out of this story... Michael Arrington would never shade the truth.
ck2大约 15 年前
Er, that's not an excerpt, that's like 4 (book) pages of text there.<p>Someone screwed up at Fortune and tried to backpedal.
FluidDjango大约 15 年前
"today the book’s publisher Simon &#38; Shuster got involved and is threatening legal action."<p>Thanks. I needed a little more juice for my "death to the publishing industry" mission. grrrr
scottshapiro大约 15 年前
The reality is that TC posts 30+ articles per day. Articles from may 6 are now part of a very, very long tail of TC articles that will barely dribble in pageviews.
adolph大约 15 年前
I'd bet that F O R T U N E wasn't legally in a position to offer the excerpts for republishing.
stanleydrew大约 15 年前
Reminds me of the kinds of posts we saw after the whole CrunchPad/JooJoo thing fell apart.
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u48998大约 15 年前
He has clearly quoted a lot of material, and so what if they made a mistake. This is not how a blog post should be composed from the contents which are not yours. I say TC is in error again and is just whining.
Amanjeev大约 15 年前
Whatever you say, Arrignton has a point in this one. Web publishing is NOT the same as Paper publishing. No wonder News papers are dying; they refuse to merge and be innovative. Last cry always is 'copyright, copyright'!
TotlolRon大约 15 年前
There was a copy write problem with the excerpts of the excerpts. Easy.
misuba大约 15 年前
Reprints are contractual matters. Draw one up.<p>This goes double if you're calling yourself a publisher and you're working with major print entities.
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kyro大约 15 年前
This really shouldn't have 80+ votes. Someone please tell me why this is interesting.
xiaoma大约 15 年前
It really does appear that no good deed goes unpunished.
hapless大约 15 年前
This is kind of a pissy, spiteful post. Why would anyone ever take this kind of conflict public ? What does Arrington have to gain by going around jamming his thumb in "old media" eyes ?
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duairc大约 15 年前
This has such a linkbait headline. This is some completely uninteresting drama about, at least to me. But the headline is such that my impulse is to click on it. I guess that makes me weak. But why do people upvote shit like this in the first place? Do people really care about some squabble TechCrunch are having with some other crowd? Is this really actually interesting to hackers? I really hate when I come here and I see headlines like this on the front page. This is not what I come here for.
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gluejar大约 15 年前
Arrington's post with excerpts is exploitative of Fortune. Once you've read the TechCrunch post, there's no value left in reading the Fortune articles. Sure, it great for selling the book, but the magazine is screwed. On the fortune side, they were not clear about whether they're promoting the book or the magazine, since their editor is the author, so Arrington has a legitimate excuse by arguing that he's just not very smart and was confused by the distinctions.
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