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Notes on John D. Rockefeller

82 点作者 johnloeber超过 8 年前

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WheelsAtLarge超过 8 年前
I read this book too. A few things that standout in addition to the article are: 1) His never ending frugalness, he counted every penny he ever spent. He did this from the very start and wrote it down. He was a very rich man yet his kids did not grow up as your typical rich kids. To the point of wearing hand me downs. He really had respect for money. Which is important specially if you don&#x27;t have much. 2) He financed the founding of University of Chicago one of the most respected universities worldwide. 3)Never selling any of his stock in Standard Oil. That&#x27;s why he became so rich. One of his brothers had a similar share of standard oil but he sold part of it over time so John D. was far wealthier that his brother because of it. 4) He started as a bookkeeper, no college. 5) He worked hard but made sure he rested. Short bursts of hard work followed by rest. Never worked on Sundays<p>Those are just some of the points that stuck in my mind. The book is a great read. In school, I only got the bad side of Rockefeller. But this book gives a better balanced view of his life. It is long but it&#x27;s worth the read.
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WalterBright超过 8 年前
I read that book. What struck me about it was with all the complaining about Rockefeller being rapacious and evil, there was very, very little backing that up. Mostly it boiled down to being very rich, and a tough competitor.<p>During the anti-trust trial, Chernow wrote that Rockefeller was steadily losing market share due to competitors getting better. I.e. the anti-trust ruling was unnecessary, Rockefeller was unable to manage such a large enterprise efficiently. (Though Chernow did not write that specifically, that&#x27;s what the facts he presented suggested.)<p>It&#x27;s still a great read, I just found that Chernow&#x27;s conclusions were not supported by the facts he presented.
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ArkyBeagle超过 8 年前
1) A subset of the language had to be developed to describe Rockefeller. This subset translates poorly into present-day English. The language used had its own rules.<p>2) &quot;Anti trust&quot; changed in meaning over time.<p>3) &quot;Monopsomy&quot; contracts with (what came to be ) common carriers was the thing at issue. We live with countless monopsomies today.<p>4) People like Teddy Roosevelt and Wm. Randolph Hearst built their own empires partially by opposing men like Rockefeller.<p>5) You cannot psychologize 19th century people in terms of 21st century thinking. Just disease and hunger made them radically different. Trauma was rampant.<p>6) SFAIK, this ensconced &quot;competition&quot; as a legal good, which has continued to be problematic. The result of the breakup of SO pretty much confirmed what Rockefeller predicted about competition. The resulting stock was <i>MUCH</i> more valuable after the breakup. If anything, that is a measure of how his extreme parsimony held down costs in a public-goods sort of way.<p>7) I think the change in price of lighting oil has been radically underestimated in its effect on people&#x27;s daily lives. The subsequent advent of the electric lamp shifted productivity upward even more.<p>8) There was no boilerplate for the relationship between mass labor and corporations at the time. A coal shortage may have been life threatening under conditions. See also the 1902 Anthracite Strike w&#x2F; Teddy Roosevelt as President.<p>I suspect the Rockefellers ( Jr. and Sr. ) can be more seen as part of the solution than part of the problem in Ludlow. That might have been calculated and PR oriented on their part but still....<p>&quot;The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.&quot; - LP Hartley.
nullnilvoid超过 8 年前
It is a fascinating read, although the book is a little thick. It tells the life story of one of, if not the greatest American industrialist. John D. Rockefeller built an empire in 20 years. He was self-made (although he did not grow up poor as his father was a snake-oil salesman, he had no money to start his business and had to take loans from his father, unlike Trump), self-taught (no college, no mentor in business other than his father), and devoted to religion. He donated the majority of his wealth away. He abstained from smoking, drinking, and partying for his whole life.<p>His business practices were highly controversial though. Lots of them were banned later for stifling competitions and innovations. For instance he used the scale of Standard oil to get exclusive rebates with railroads, which were later considered to be common carrier and should treat all customers fairly. He also signed lots of exclusive agreements with oil producers, which would starve other refiners.
pmoriarty超过 8 年前
<i>&quot;I cheat my boys every time I get a chance. I want to make &#x27;em sharp. I trade with the boys and skin &#x27;em. I just beat &#x27;em every chance I get.&quot;</i> -- John D Rockefeller<p>I wonder how that worked out...
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dibstern超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m not sure I&#x27;ll ever understand this: &quot;Rockefeller leaves me with the problematic impression of a benevolent dictator: positive outcomes for society by distressing means, enacted by a man with tunnel vision.&quot; He said that everything he did for the industry and for humanity was good. So why is this distressing? Shouldn&#x27;t someone who is ruthlessly good be seen as a hero?
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rckclmbr超过 8 年前
I also read the book, and think everyone should -- it seems like everyone has a different takeaway from the book, it really is a fascinating read.<p>* As others have said, Rockefeller was very frugal. His son, John Jr., wore his sisters dresses because they didn&#x27;t want to waste money on new clothes. Seriously.<p>* Rockefeller Jr tried to run the family business for a while, but decided it wasn&#x27;t for him. He was a primary contributor (ie, bought and gave land away) for Acadia, Great Smoky Mountains, Grand Teton, Yosemite and Shenandoah National Parks.
soheil超过 8 年前
I also read the book (listened to it while swimming.) I must mention it was listed on YC’s Winter Reading List [1] right above 48 Laws of Power which I also read, however, that book has since disappeared from the list, presumably due to some of its non-PC and brutally honest manipulative methods to power it prescribes. How can I unread it now YC?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.ycombinator.com&#x2F;ycs-winter-reading-list" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.ycombinator.com&#x2F;ycs-winter-reading-list</a>
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RA_Fisher超过 8 年前
If you want to read about Rockefeller, &quot;The Prize&quot; is the book to read!
known超过 8 年前
TL;DR<p>Machiavellianism (willingness to manipulate and deceive others), Narcissism (egotism and self-obsession), Sociopathy (lack of remorse and empathy), Sadism (pleasure in suffering of others);