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Dropbox Paper

322 点作者 dumindunuwan超过 8 年前

72 条评论

ungzd超过 8 年前
After looking at landing page, it's completely unclear what it is. Powerpoint with comments? Pinterest for enterprise? Google Wave with Material design? "Create, review, organize" — but even Quake level editor is about creating, reviewing and organizing.
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isarat超过 8 年前
Initially when Paper was launched I tried and left the product quickly. I was using Quip a lot for my work as it&#x27;s more developer friendly and easy to manage.<p>I use Paper more and more these days with my team though we are into Google for Work. Google Docs is a tough cookie and an office replica.<p>Those who are in to markdown, they would hardly go back to anything else for formatting. The only catch with markdown is about creating tables Dropbox paper has nailed it pretty well.<p>The product is more pleasing for eyes with better typography, cleaner design and user experience. There&#x27;s no friction to write. The people who collaborates are more productive easily review and feedback. Also it&#x27;s more developer friendly with quick emojis with &quot;:&quot; shortcut.<p>Finally nothing beats the simplicity of Dropbox Sharing.<p>The product has lot more opportunities to grow. Expecting more integrations in the coming days.
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mikenew超过 8 年前
As a former user of both Mailbox and Carousel, I think I&#x27;ll pass.
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ktta超过 8 年前
Another closed file format. I think we&#x27;re are in need of a lightweight document format, which is more complex than markdown, but needn&#x27;t be as complex as docx.<p>A quick google shows some results which look like pet projects of small business which have obviously failed (since I&#x27;ve never heard of them before)<p>All of these new document formats that are pushed by big companies (some are really great I actually love using Google Docs) try to tie the user as close to their eco-system as possible.<p>When ever I try to maintain documents for long term storage, markdown seems like the only good format. I&#x27;ve seen people talk about stuff like org-mode, etc, but they all lack the fluidity and the WYSIWYG nature of Google docs, docx etc. I&#x27;m talking about how markdown never actually stores pictures inside the document, but just links to them, and you&#x27;ll have to use a specific application to view the rendered markdown, and a different one to edit or make new ones.<p>I&#x27;m interested to see that does everyone else use for documents? And please don&#x27;t suggest docx+open&#x2F;libre office. I&#x27;m still waiting for some of those applications to properly handle a big file and I don&#x27;t want to wait so long for those applications to even open.<p>EDIT: Thanks for the replies. I think I should clarify something. I&#x27;m looking for a WYSISWYG tool, like google docs&#x2F;docx. I don&#x27;t really have time to spend doing the edit-&gt;render-&gt;see where you went wrong-&gt;edit cycle. This really hurts productivity when you&#x27;re editing large documents and increases the barrier for new comers. I do use LaTeX but only when I need ultra sharp looking documents with specific needs. I really like it, but only pull it out when I need to write a paper and want the output in PDF. Other times, it&#x27;s really not worth the effort.<p>So formats which require me to render to HTML etc, are a no go. I&#x27;m looking into ASCIIDOC but even that looks like it&#x27;s very similar to markdown. And by WYSISWYG, I mean I want to type, and press Ctrl+B to write in bold, and Ctrl+I for italic and right click to insert hyperlink and so on. Not use asterisks everytime whenever I want to make something bold. Sure it transparently to that in the background, but I shouldn&#x27;t have to worry about it.
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sz4kerto超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s a very nice service, I&#x27;ve started to use it for personal notes instead of Onenote, but I have the feeling that MS will stay behind Onenote way after Dropbox has shut down Paper.
tekacs超过 8 年前
I&#x27;ll throw Notion (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;notion.so&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;notion.so&#x2F;</a>) into the mix here, as an (as far as I can tell far more full-featured) alternative to this.<p>I&#x27;ve used Paper a number of times, starting from long before Notion was a thing, having been a happy Etherpad and Hackpad user in the past. Somehow Paper managed to inspire less in my collaborators than either the latter services (where perhaps plain text was the factor) or than Notion (the reaction of almost everyone I&#x27;ve shown it to has been amazement and excitement).<p>Since this is the second time I&#x27;m mentioning Notion here, I&#x27;ll reiterate that I&#x27;m not affiliated - just a happy customer.
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binaryanomaly超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m using Dropbox Paper since quite a while and I love it. For PCs it is completely browser based and therefore works nicely on every platform - no native apps needed. It has mobile apps. I cancelled my Evernote subscription and account on the spot.<p>The only real downside at the moment from my point of view is that it does not yet have an offline mode.
citrusui超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s not terrible. Personally, since I write in Markdown, it&#x27;s an excellent tool for my niche documents. It doesn&#x27;t integrate with Jekyll, but it&#x27;s close enough. Simplenote is another decent app that happens to have Markdown support, but the implementation isn&#x27;t very good. No image previews, no tables, and on occasion it will outright mess up the formatting in `code blocks`.<p>Of course, I am very hesistant to put my full trust into Dropbox. Their Mac app has been known to work around security measures in macOS[0].<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12619722" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12619722</a><p>An another note, does anyone here have a suggestion for a good Notes app with Markdown and&#x2F;or Jekyll support? Preferably one with a mobile app as well.
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rrggrr超过 8 年前
Between Evernote, Office360 and Google Drive&#x2F;Docs, etc. I&#x27;m of the opinion this was wasted time and money; and that it will not be a revenue or user growth driver for Dropbox. There are gaps in sharing and collaboration where paid demand exists. They include: end-to-end persistent encrypted sharing; File authentication; handwriting recognition&#x2F;search; rule and ML based box culling; content-aware rules; mesh-network sharing; blockchain integration; content analysis for sourcing&#x2F;data-viz; and so much more. I sense a lack of imagination at Dropbox.
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pducks32超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m sorry but that first video is hilarious. That&#x27;s the stuff Silicon Valley HBO makes fun of. I&#x27;m all for people working together to make the world a better place but I was in tears of laughter at that. I was looking for a (Made by HBO) disclaimer somewhere.
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TuringTest超过 8 年前
&gt; Sorry, there’s an issue connecting to the network. Once it reconnects, you’ll be able to edit your doc.<p>This kills it for me. What good is a note-taking application if taking the notes depends on having network connectivity, 100℅ of the time? (The message appeared while writing, not even when trying to save).<p>I though the whole point of Dropbox was having a local copy of the document, which was synchronized in the background? Why doesn&#x27;t Paper work that way?
djhworld超过 8 年前
I used this quite a lot over the past 6 months, for personal note taking (didn&#x27;t use any of the team&#x2F;collaboration features or whatever)<p>It&#x27;s pretty nice, supports inline LaTeX, embedding youtube, spotify, images, tweets, PDFs, google docs and has a good markdown parser.<p>I&#x27;ve recently moved over to org-mode though, mainly because there are more features (although it doesn&#x27;t support the rich media things like embedded videos etc, but has good enough solutions for images and LaYeX)
ukd1超过 8 年前
We&#x27;ve used this since the hackpad days at Rainforest; it&#x27;s actually great - mainly spreadsheets!
thepumpkin1979超过 8 年前
I can&#x27;t believe they spent 3 years on this, I can do all this and more with Quip as a super performant native Mobile and native Desktop. The killing feature of Quip is it&#x27;s ability to Mix, in a single document, an spreadsheet(most of what you&#x27;d use in Excel), formatted source code, images, todo-list, mentions &amp; collaboration, version control and rich formatting. The desktop app is a mix of web and native, but is not a memory hog like a CEF app, it&#x27;s pretty slick.
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1_2__3超过 8 年前
I can smell a favored executive&#x27;s pet project stink from all the way over here. And I&#x27;m not even pooh-poohing Dropbox - I love them and use them religiously.
rcymerys超过 8 年前
I just hope it doesn&#x27;t end like Mailbox.<p>What I love about Paper (compared to Google Docs and similar tools) is it&#x27;s simplicity. Formatting options are extremely limited, so all you have to do is just to type and it&#x27;ll lay the document out for you.<p>This is actually the best feature, since you don&#x27;t waste time adjusting tab stops and figuring out how to make bullet lists work (which was like 50% of my time when writing documents in regular editors).
bachmeier超过 8 年前
I&#x27;ve been using the beta for quite a while. I haven&#x27;t used it extensively, but I will probably use it more once it takes off. Early on in the beta process I requested Mathjax support. They added it, and now all you have to do to insert an equation is type a double dollar sign (ie, $$). That&#x27;s sort of a killer feature, because most of my communications will involve equations at some point.
tschellenbach超过 8 年前
We used for a few rounds of design frontend review. It&#x27;s actually quite slick. Seems like it&#x27;s 90% there for a google docs replacement.
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philfreo超过 8 年前
I love Dropbox Paper. The way I explain it is:<p>It&#x27;s like Google Docs if it was designed today instead of a decade ago.<p>My team uses it instead of Google Docs for Feature Specs, Meeting Notes, etc.
dmd超过 8 年前
What about it? This was released in October 2015.
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xutopia超过 8 年前
So essentially it&#x27;s Google Wave but in a vertical layout.
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ematvey超过 8 年前
Honestly I don&#x27;t see where all the sci-fi analogies and Wave comparisons are coming from. I&#x27;ve been using Paper in beta for several months now, and it is nothing more then a slick, streamlined version of the Etherpad , which arguably was a slick and streamlined version of Wave.<p>It has all the features I used from GDocs, it is convenient and pleasant to look at. Long-form notes are very pleasant to write there. Note-taking aspect of this is definitely something they should explore more.
vonklaus超过 8 年前
Finally, they released google docs. I jest, buy I am going to give them (Dropbox) another shot. Google docs is <i>very</i> frustrating. From dumping me into an unorganized pile of text w&#x2F;o folders to just enough features to make it complicated to do basic stuff but bot enough to do advanced...or even normal stuff.<p>Dropbox has done some annoying stuff w&#x2F; their offerings, but i&#x27;m going to try paper out and if I don&#x27;t get burned after a few months i&#x27;ll upgrade to paid.
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trumbitta2超过 8 年前
I <i>hate it</i> when a website takes over my preferences and sets the language to Italian solely based on my IP. Hate. It.
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bjoernm超过 8 年前
In case you&#x27;re looking for a more wiki-like experience that supports internal links, markdown, and real-time editing check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nuclino.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nuclino.com</a> (I&#x27;m a Co-Founder)
sambe超过 8 年前
I haven&#x27;t tried it, but I get that familiar feeling: you are stepping outside of your core business in a way that will be easily shut down if not making targets. See Carousel in Dropbox&#x27;s case (nice product, very few complaints, presumably little to zero profit) but companies tend to treat these as moonshots instead of new businesses - it has to be a roaring success to last.
Angostura超过 8 年前
All these lovely services in the comments that I would love to use at work, but I can&#x27;t because, I&#x27;m in the UK, working with somewhat sensitive personal data and there is no way we can commit that stuff to a data centre in the U.S somewhere these days. I&#x27;m not sure what the solution is, other than letting people self-host.
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antoncohen超过 8 年前
Dropbox Paper is fantastic. You can write Markdown, or use GUI menus. Inline code and code blocks are great, just like normal Markdown. Great for meetings notes, design docs, anything you want to share and collaborate on. So much nicer to write in than Google Docs. It is designed for digital, not as an MS Word clone.<p>I like writing in Paper so much that I use it to write things I&#x27;m not going to share via Paper. I actual copy and paste out of Paper into email or Google Docs when I work for companies that don&#x27;t use Paper. I&#x27;ll write things like READMEs in Paper first, before moving them to a .md file.<p>The UX is so well thought out. For example, the link creation is so simple. You copy a URL, like from the URL bar, then highlight the text in Paper that you want to be a link, and Cmd+V. The highlighted text will now be hyperlink to the URL on the clipboard.<p>The mobile app is handy too.
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mychael超过 8 年前
The comments on this thread remind me of Drew&#x27;s &quot;Throw away your USB Drive&quot; post from 10 years ago.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8863" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8863</a>
Grue3超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m impressed how the landing page is completely localized in Russian. Even the screenshots. You can switch the language in the selector at the bottom with like 20 different languages. Pretty cool for a small(?) company like Dropbox.
morkro超过 8 年前
For anyone interested, I&#x27;ve build a desktop client for Dropbox Paper: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;morkro&#x2F;papyrus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;morkro&#x2F;papyrus</a>
posnet超过 8 年前
I wonder if they are using operational transforms or CRDTs underneath for the collaborate editing.
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sosedoff超过 8 年前
Similar, but specifically tailored for Markdown: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;usecanvas.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;usecanvas.com&#x2F;</a>
huac超过 8 年前
The other notable &quot;Google Docs&#x2F;Office killer&quot; is Quip. Previous HN discussion of that: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12205855" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12205855</a><p>My gripe with these is that after using Word, these feel rigid and not full featured enough. And only with Google docs do you get what realtime collaboration should feel like.
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divan超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m using Paper for 2+ years now, including for some team projects, and it literally makes me want to write docs and documentation.
rpearl超过 8 年前
This has been around for a while? I&#x27;m not sure why this is surfacing on HN now.<p>Here&#x27;s an article from 2015: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;10&#x2F;15&#x2F;dropbox-announces-paper-a-google-docs-competitor&#x2F;#.6qjorz:OU6K" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;10&#x2F;15&#x2F;dropbox-announces-paper-a-...</a>
samstave超过 8 年前
Regarding some of the sentiments in this thread... I have to agree...<p>How exactly does this help me&#x2F;large teams?<p>Their customer list, sure, has &quot;cool names&quot; -- but the workflow support this provides seems to focus on 19 year old college grads who were forced to do group projects and have only ever touched a macbook air.<p>&quot;beautiful interface&quot; -- do you know how many pitches (including multiple companies from the decades past) attempted to sell their idea on &quot;clean UI&quot; failed and failed and failed?<p>Look if this works for you - then use it - but a white dude and an asian chick sitting in a clean room with a mac thinking about their &quot;marketing&quot; is pretty boring.<p>So - what does this do? How about show me the problem the two in the landing are working on...<p>---<p><i></i><i>&quot;Before - we were trying to get the reqs from the PM to the devs based on the input from the marketing research of what our customers were asking for WRT features... the pipeline was clogged and nobody was on the same page... emails, PPTs, MTGs etc - nothing worked... then we brought in this new tool - spent a month and a half selling it to the devs to get them to actually create a fucking account, and 18 months later - we are 3% more effective than we were before!&quot;</i><i></i> YAY!<p>Sorry - thats how I see tools like such, &quot;Lets disrupt 40 years of DNA on a particular workflow that our experienced devs have been using by showing them a lot of minimalistic whitespace and hi-res stock photos!&quot;<p>how about turn this into a slack hook and let the devs do their thing and be up-front that this is for marketing and PMs and the devs should never see it. It should create requests of (producer of widget) via whatever method that (producer of widget) is used to....<p>or... found your freaking startup from day-one on a freaking tool...<p>Finally, it would seem that things like this are relegated to very small teams - and you should be wary of attempting to get other groups in your co to drink your cool UI kool-aid.<p>&#x2F;cynicism...
bluetidepro超过 8 年前
Does anyone know if they finally changed it with the official release so that when you make a document it actually stores a markdown file or html file somewhere in your actual dropbox? I absolutely hate how the current beta has it so it&#x27;s disconnected. I want to be able to write stuff in paper but have access to the originals via sync so I can update them locally in maybe something like Sublime and just have it auto update in Paper itself.
ficho超过 8 年前
Is this some sort of Etherpad revival? :) Would be awesome
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jest3r1超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s an operating theatre though.<p><i>These and other features may require our systems to access, store and scan Your Stuff. You give us permission to do those things, and this permission extends to our affiliates and trusted third parties we work with.</i><p>So, in order to work on collaborative documents, I give Dropbox, Dropbox affiliates and trusted third parties access? Who are these people?<p><i>Others working for Dropbox. Dropbox uses certain trusted third parties (for example providers of customer support and IT services) to help us provide, improve, protect and promote our Services. These third parties will access your information only to perform tasks on our behalf ...</i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;terms" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;terms</a><p>Maybe not so great for business data privacy compliance then?<p>I know it&#x27;s not just Dropbox, but the idea that I&#x27;m creating business content in some pseudo-document format that an unspecified number of people, including outsourced IT, have access to is unsettling.<p>It&#x27;s a gold mine for Dropbox of course. They control the document format, making it really easy to data mine. They know exactly what everyone is working on. Your team spends hours planning bigger, brighter ideas, and someone is watching.<p>And they hold us hostage forever. Export is .docx only and the export formatting is atrocious, non usable.<p>What ever happened to encryption for cloud-based services? We&#x27;re giving all our data away.<p>--<p>Now, with all that said, Dropbox Paper does solve a number of problems businesses face. The bare bones editor, overall simplicity, and elimination of the traditional file format makes it really easy to use, especially when collaborating with folks that may not create documents every day.<p>Paper docs are giving Basecamp, non-developer Confluence Pages (JIRA) and web hosting at our office a run for the money. Because it doesn&#x27;t feel bloated.<p>Plus, there&#x27;s too many options for these types of business productivity tools at the moment. Simpler is better in this regard, as navigating all of the options, and training people, is a project nobody really wants to commit to. At least not at our office.<p>That makes Dropbox Paper a good fit for something.
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qz_超过 8 年前
But what does it, you know, do?
aduffy超过 8 年前
Are they simply taking this out of beta? I&#x27;ve been using paper for over a year now, it&#x27;s a lot like Quip but integrated with Dropbox
joshpadnick超过 8 年前
Very thoughtfully designed. I liked it better than Quip. But all our docs are in Google Docs, which sometimes includes spreadsheets, which doesn&#x27;t appear supported. The very nice UX around collaboration isn&#x27;t enough to justify the migration pain of moving hundreds of Google Docs and losing some of our gdoc non-text docs.
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smpetrey超过 8 年前
The iOS app is a complete mess. I can&#x27;t delete notes, I can&#x27;t access Archives, I can&#x27;t rename folders nor delete them. I can&#x27;t move notes between folders.<p>This leads me to believe the app was rushed but apparently there&#x27;s a version history I the App Store. I left as much feedback as I could through the app but man, yikes.
obeattie超过 8 年前
At Monzo where I work, we use Dropbox Paper quite extensively for internal RFC&#x27;s in the engineering team. We&#x27;d probably prefer to use a Google product since the rest of the company uses Drive so heavily, but Docs is simply atrocious when you need to insert some code.
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fiatjaf超过 8 年前
What about that office suite that does the same and much more, in a much prettier way, which even includes full-featured embedded spreadsheets in the documents?<p>I mean Quip: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quip.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quip.com&#x2F;</a>
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andy_ppp超过 8 年前
I have almost this idea too with some interesting twists; it&#x27;s probably going to be hard to complete with Dropbox though as a one man team. At least this is only a component of what I plan to build and probably the least important bit...
debt超过 8 年前
Man wtf Dropbox. There are literally thousands of smaller updates and increments you can be making to the product. This type of stuff doesn&#x27;t have a market! Fire your design team and start over. It will keep not working!
paglia_s超过 8 年前
I really like the idea but I just tried the Android app and is super buggy. Text formatting doesn&#x27;t work, it seems impossible to delete docs... And that&#x27;s just what I found in 5 minutes of use
vonklaus超过 8 年前
After looking this over again, it kind of seems like a blogging platform. I&#x27;m going to DL it later, but looks like it could be a sneaky way for them to enter the content publishing space.
eatbitseveryday超过 8 年前
Very close in name to an existing tool, Papers [1], which is meant for organizing research papers.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;papersapp.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;papersapp.com&#x2F;</a>
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sp332超过 8 年前
&quot;However you think — in words, code, pictures or motion — Paper brings it all together in one place.&quot; Can you really communication in &quot;motion&quot; on this site?
ende超过 8 年前
I don&#x27;t know if this replaces google docs for me (for any serious document editing), but it may possibly replace Evernote as a simple jot pad.
dandare超过 8 年前
Is Condoleezza Rice still working for Dropbox?
mgiannopoulos超过 8 年前
Feels like a Confluence competitor actually
kennysmoothx超过 8 年前
Any one have an idea on what pricing will be moving forward? Can&#x27;t seem to find it anywhere.
atmosx超过 8 年前
Apparently at this year and age, communicating what a product does, is a real challenge.
overcast超过 8 年前
This reminds me of OneNote on the web. With fancier animations, and less functionality.
andygambles超过 8 年前
So is this essentially OneNote?
sebleon超过 8 年前
This is cool!<p>On a related note, someone should make Sketch files collaborative in real time =D
whywhywhywhy超过 8 年前
Just find it utterly surprising anyone is willing to invest time bringing Dropbox products (other than their core storage product) into their workflow considering their track record of killing off even popular products.
gorkamolero超过 8 年前
This is Quip, if they had a designer on board
poorman超过 8 年前
So like a Basecamp clone?
anentropic超过 8 年前
Dropbox is too expensive
kisna72超过 8 年前
anybody else noticed incredible resemblence to quip.com?
cjmcqueen超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s Google Wave.
coleifer超过 8 年前
Nobody&#x27;s going to use this. Seriously, Dropbox.
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sagivo超过 8 年前
dropbox evolution:<p>sync files - Google Drive<p>sync photos - Google Photos<p>sync docs that are like websites and also track progress and chat and tons of other features you don&#x27;t really need but will be shut down in a year!
elastic_church超过 8 年前
A tech product called paper, how original of a skeumorph to bygone relevance in a simplistic clear name about what the product actually does!
howfun超过 8 年前
It is not April 1st right?
dboreham超过 8 年前
Pied Piper. I mean..Paper.
debt超过 8 年前
Huh? Hopefully they didn&#x27;t waste a ton of resources on this. I doubt there even exists a market large enough to justify this.