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Reddit bans Alt-Right Group

90 点作者 emilong超过 8 年前

17 条评论

ajkjk超过 8 年前
Some explanation here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;SubredditDrama&#x2F;comments&#x2F;5ri97o&#x2F;raltright_has_been_banned_discuss_this_here&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;SubredditDrama&#x2F;comments&#x2F;5ri97o&#x2F;ralt...</a><p>&quot;There is a website I can&#x27;t link that is taking money to crowdfund doxxing efforts. After the admins banned that domain, the mods on &#x2F;r&#x2F;altright continued to manually approve submissions to that site and added them as sticky&#x2F;announcement posts. My guess is that is the reasoning behind the ban.&quot;<p>So they got banned for repeatedly and intentionally, with moderator support, circumventing Reddit&#x27;s rules -- not for &#x27;suppression of free speech&#x27; or anything like that. I&#x27;m sure the admins were glad to be rid of them, but, they really brought it on themselves.
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diego超过 8 年前
The important part: the group was not banned for their beliefs or their speech. It was banned for violating the TOS, in particular for doxxing.
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Dobbs超过 8 年前
&#x2F;r&#x2F;altright was banned for doxing. An example can be found on imgur <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;pZ8yN" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;pZ8yN</a> where you can see not only doxing, but crowd funding to support doxing of an individual they disagreed with.
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marricks超过 8 年前
People jump to compare to digg or clamping down on &quot;free speech&quot; but groups that dox or participate in harassment don&#x27;t deserve to be sheltered.<p>Sure, reddit started as a sort of &quot;libertarian dream&quot; but it&#x27;s pretty clear at this point that some groups choose to abuse that.
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singold超过 8 年前
If it is a violation of tos shouldn&#x27;t they ban the user instead of deleting the subrredit?<p>Edit: now i&#x27;ve read the comment by &#x27;ajkjk and that makes more sense
hackuser超过 8 年前
Note that they were banned for doxxing, not for intolerance or hatred.<p>Generally I strongly favor free speech and believe the answer to &#x27;bad&#x27; speech is more speech. However, there always are limits such as slander, harmful deception (yelling &#x27;fire&#x27; in a crowd), provocation to crime (&#x27;assault the man in the front row!&#x27;), and more. I think there may be a way to clearly and justly draw a line for white supremacist and other hate speech, if and when we want to do it.<p><i>Tolerate all but intolerance itself.</i><p>There is some theoretical support:<p>* Think of tolerance as a social contract: I tolerate you if you tolerate me; or, everyone tolerates you if you tolerate everyone. If you break that contract then you have no claim on everyone else&#x27;s toleration.<p>* Karl Popper&#x27;s Paradox of Tolerance. <i>Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.</i>[0]<p>On the other hand, the always incredible Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy makes some good arguments against it, especially that humanity will abuse this new authority.[1] Partly for that reason and partly to err on the side of individual liberty, I would apply this rule only when there is a practical necessity. One requirement would be that the intolerant group poses a threat. For example, a group of intolerant Jainists in Los Angeles isn&#x27;t a threat - they are too few to threaten anyone in that environment. In a tiny town where they are the majority, or in a locked room with one Confucian about whom they are saying intolerant things, it would be a threat.<p>But this all is my personal analysis; I&#x27;d be interested in some established standards such as workplace law, neo-Nazi speech in Germany, etc.<p>----<p>[0] I can&#x27;t find an authoritative source or discussion, but Wikipedia covers it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Paradox_of_tolerance" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Paradox_of_tolerance</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plato.stanford.edu&#x2F;entries&#x2F;toleration&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plato.stanford.edu&#x2F;entries&#x2F;toleration&#x2F;</a> - Search the page for &quot;paradox of drawing the limits&quot;
baudolino超过 8 年前
six weeks ago I would have regarded the idea of doing this as inimical to the principles of free discourse and debate that I feel are fundamental to democracy and indeed to small-l liberal civilization in general.<p>now I find myself wondering whether my principles are being contaminated by the immense personal anger I feel, or whether perhaps my principles weren&#x27;t as rationally derived as I had previously believed.
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neotek超过 8 年前
Good.
JohnTHaller超过 8 年前
altright was doxxing, which is against the ToS. Doxxing, regardless of who, is generally a bad idea. For background, see the reddit Boston bomber debacle. You&#x27;re going to get it wrong and end up harassing or harming innocent people.
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et-al超过 8 年前
Anyone remember when they shut down &#x2F;r&#x2F;fatpeoplehate? The hate just spilled to other parts of the site.<p>I&#x27;d be concerned of the same thing happening with this.
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PlumNutPrime超过 8 年前
Try a platform that lets you run your groups like you want: www.plumgroups.com.<p>Setup interest&#x2F;location based groups and&#x2F;or install the Chrome extension to comment on every site you visit. Post anonymously or use you Plum Name.
davexunit超过 8 年前
Good riddance.
carsongross超过 8 年前
Well this should be a sane, civil conversation...
danjoc超过 8 年前
Freedom of speech*<p>*To those who own the presses.
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arjie超过 8 年前
Who honestly gives a shit? Not me. There are a veritable army of unproductive losers who spend all their time on the Internet. Nearly every occasion where I&#x27;ve seen people complain about &quot;censorship&quot; from a website, it&#x27;s unproductive drivel from these people.<p>Good riddance, I say. When productive people don&#x27;t like their speech being suppressed they create lobste.rs. But these people aren&#x27;t productive at all. They&#x27;re useless wastrels, for whom the psychological kick of receiving an upvote from their feeble-minded brethren is sufficient to drag them through the day.<p>I will continue to use reddit for &#x2F;r&#x2F;rust and whatnot and it will be good.<p>Normally, I wouldn&#x27;t even enter this conversation but there&#x27;s this trend where people assume that these worthless fools are the majority simply because they spend every waking hour whining about some thing or the other. And then people act as if they must be placated. When really they should just go away.
razakel超过 8 年前
I don&#x27;t think they really had much of a choice. It doesn&#x27;t look good for a media company to allow neo-Nazi content to be posted.
heydonovan超过 8 年前
[deleted as per incorrect information]
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