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Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

341 点作者 samaysharma超过 8 年前

25 条评论

randartie超过 8 年前
Needing this amount of resources implies that Snap is expecting huge growth. This sounds like a really bad move on their part and they should have committed to building out their own infrastructure on &#x27;bare metal&#x27; over the next 5 years instead.<p>If you read their S-1, they list a dependence on Google cloud as one of their big risk factors. Yet they then go ahead and make this commitment instead of working towards eliminating it.<p>There&#x27;s so many advantages to owning your stack and if Snap thinks that it&#x27;s going to need 2 billion dollars to pay for cloud infra, they&#x27;re at the scale where it makes sense to build your own infra. Just look at Facebook, they&#x27;re able to create tailor made data-centers that fit precisely what they need. The success of Snap relies on huge scale on the consumer side, if they want to scale their infra to support that 5 years down the line then this sounds like a poor move since they will either need to play catch-up later on or prepare to pay serious dough to Google.<p>Paying for cloud services seems like a great idea when you are not able to predict your needs in the coming years, given a deal like this I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s the case.
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whalesalad超过 8 年前
If I could do it all over again I would probably opt for Google. The Kubernetes support is wonderful and the overall user experience blows AWS out of the water.
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hemancuso超过 8 年前
So they hit $400m of revenue in 2016 and have committed to spend at least that much on infrastructure each year for the next 5 years? After all the costs for staffing and everything else they better I hope they achieve amazing growth if they ever intend to profit.
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krzyk超过 8 年前
For ones (like me) wondering what Snap is, it is the company behind Snapchat, they apparently changed their name few months ago (source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Snap_Inc." rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Snap_Inc.</a>)
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sobinator超过 8 年前
Many talking of software here, but at this scale I think we should be looking at the cost of energy. Suppose Google has a true edge on the rest of the market in terms of what the cost of a Watt is to them. Take that outlook over the horizon of 5 years; all software arguments are thereby moot. If Google can generate a Watt in 5 years at 10% the cost that AWS can, then this drastically changes the equation.
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nikcub超过 8 年前
The timing is curious, they signed this dead and added $2B in fixed liabilities on their balance sheet days or weeks before the S1 filing.<p>That they didn&#x27;t wait until after the IPO suggests Snap may see the partnership as a positive. Could also have been pushed from Google&#x27;s end as it is a nice way of bragging about a big get but without having to formally announce it, and being associated with a hot IPO that will get a lot of coverage.
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user5994461超过 8 年前
This makes no sense. One cannot spend $33M a month on Google Cloud. (Remember that it&#x27;s half the price of AWS, and given a contract of that magnitude it&#x27;s possible that they negotiated yet another half off).<p>The amount of hardware and services one would get for that bill is insane. Snapchat doesn&#x27;t need that much computing power and storage.
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scottmcleod超过 8 年前
Nice Snapchat files to IPO so they can pay Google bill. Wonder who wins in this long game...
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filereaper超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m confused by this high cost, sure you might need lots of compute, but storage tends to dominate over the long term.<p>Isn&#x27;t Snapchat supposed to delete data after 30s or whatever?<p>Why this insanely high cost? Can somebody shed some light.
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ErikAugust超过 8 年前
They started on App Engine, I believe?<p>Interesting that just having one startup like Snapchat start on their platform made all the other little startups that came and went worth it.
jpeg_hero超过 8 年前
This could be a major issue with the ipo. Wall Street investors don&#x27;t take kindly to long term commitments such as this. It looks especially impertinent because it is on the order of their current revenue ($400m per year due to google versus $404m rev 2016). The similarities in the numbers just beg comparison..
anonu超过 8 年前
Snap Inc can negotiate this number down if their revenue targets aren&#x27;t met. So its really just a pro-forma agreement that can be changed... Source: The S1... the article fails to mention that part.
dhsbdb超过 8 年前
Spotify are also heavy users of Google Cloud: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.spotify.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;23&#x2F;announcing-spotify-infrastructures-googley-future&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.spotify.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;23&#x2F;announcing-spotify-in...</a>
eddd超过 8 年前
So 2.5$&#x2F;year per user, I am not sure if that is a lot. How much does facebook spent on their infra per user basis?
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010a超过 8 年前
It is so concerning to me that the company has committed to spending an average of $400M per year on cloud infra when their revenue is only $200M, and they&#x27;ve revealed that user growth slowed from 17% to 3% in the quarter Insta released Stories.<p>It&#x27;d be one thing if they were going to use some of the IPO money to cost-optimize revenue, but I get the feeling that they need to focus on growing revenue due to how Insta Stories gutted them in 2016. That means hiring more people and writing bigger checks to Google.<p>And they&#x27;re branding themselves as a &quot;camera company.&quot; Their hardware division does not contribute materially to revenue (not profit: Revenue), and practically every other consumer camera company, from Kodak to GoPro, is dying.<p>This is not a healthy company.
beefsack超过 8 年前
For anyone else who was confused who Snap are, they do Snapchat (it wasn&#x27;t immediately obvious to me.)
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johnsmith21006超过 8 年前
Google also owns a piece of Snap through their venture arm. Plus I would think Snap will want to stay close to Google for access to their advertising exchange. We are quickly getting down to just two advertising exchanges Google and Facebook.
sebleon超过 8 年前
What do you guys think Google Cloud&#x27;s margins are like? Presumably, Google is able to run a data center more efficiently than Snap could, meaning that the savings of running their own data centers will be strictly less than GC&#x27;s margins... thoughts?
mastazi超过 8 年前
From the article:<p>&gt; Access to Google, which currently powers our infrastructure, is restricted in China.<p>What does this mean exactly? I could read the sentence above in two ways:<p>A- if a website is on Google infrastructure, then it will not be accessible in China<p>B- if a website is on Google infrastructure, then the cloud control panel will not be accessible to the IT operations personnel based in China<p>I think that it&#x27;s the latter, I find it hard to believe that the scenario described at point A corresponds to reality. If that was the case it would have huge implications in terms of competition between Google and other providers.
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tabeth超过 8 年前
What&#x27;s the back-end equivalent of &quot;free scaling?&quot; For example, with the front-end, if you have a SPA or a website that&#x27;s completely static, you can serve static files and JavaScript in a way that scales horizontally for free.<p>Is there a back-end designed (with compromises and all) in a way where scaling horizontally is free, at the expense of compute power or some other sacrifice? I want to say Erlang&#x2F;Elixir, but I haven&#x27;t played around with it enough to say for sure.
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kriro超过 8 年前
Makes me wonder if Google will buy a substantial amount of Snap stock and if there were takeover discussions before the IPO. I&#x27;m not sure if I like this from Snaps POV but it seems like they expect massive growth and possibly want to focus more on the core business than on infrastructure (which could come back to bite them strategically but I&#x27;m sure they got a very sweet deal).
fabbuki超过 8 年前
Snapchat could afford to build its own infrastructure if it wanted to. A similar sized Unicorn, DocuSign, has about 2000 employees and probably several hundred million in revenue per year (valuation is around a billion or two, depending on who you ask). They built their own data centers around the world.<p>But DocuSign derives a lot of money from B2B and uptime and location of the servers is important to other Enterprises. DocuSign also started building out its services more than a decade ago before a lot of the AWS or Google Cloud infra got built. So, the decision to build your own infra is as much a decision based on alternatives available. Few alternatives? Build your own infra.<p>By staying on GCP, Snapchat also guarantees its service and uptime will not change appreciably over the next several years. They built on GCP and migrating the whole service off would probably be a gargantuan task (how do you flip a switch and move all your compute overnight without hurting customer experience?). Staying with GCP allows Snap to maintain consistency of service while also buying time to build a transferable version of Snapchat that they could move to other infrastructure after the Google contract is over.<p>Investors on Wallstreet don&#x27;t like seeing huge changes to company strategy too close to IPO. If GCP has worked for Snap thus far, it is far less risky to investors for Snap to keep on going &quot;business as usual.&quot; It&#x27;s better to overspend to guarantee certainty of service and business health over next few years than do a massive capital investment. Once Snap gets off the ground post-IPO, they can make longer term decisions about their infra.
angryteabag超过 8 年前
Can I get someone&#x27;s opinion on Snap? Is it worth paying attention to?<p>My understanding is that it&#x27;s a package manager that installs applications in their own isolated Linux sandbox, meaning you can install&#x2F;distribute them on any distribution.. right?<p>Does that mean software like node.js or nginx&#x2F;apache will be available via Snap?
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kartickv超过 8 年前
It seems dangerous to commit to spending so much money for so long into the future, with a particular vendor. Who knows whether Google Cloud will be best for your needs four years from now? Price, performance, reliability, support, whether it will have best-in-class abstractions, and so on...
general_ai超过 8 年前
I wonder if they&#x27;re still using Google AppEngine, or have moved to something lower level. GAE resolved a lot of its scalability and isolation issues thanks to Snapchat.<p>In a way, Snapchat was to GAE what Hotmail was to Windows NT back in the day — trial by fire.