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Ask HN: Live in the Future--How would you increase your energy consumption 100x?

4 点作者 obeone超过 8 年前
History teaches that for some things (like artificial light [ancient oil candles-&gt;LED]) as the price decreases linearly, consumption increases geometrically.<p>Imagine a breakthrough in energy generation tomorrow, (i.e. fusion, automatic robotic placement of solar cells, etc.) where the world has access to vastly more usable energy&#x2F;electricity than it has ever had.<p>Living in this imagined future, in what ways would you personally would consume 10x or 100x the amount of electricity (or energy) you consume today?

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jerf超过 8 年前
I&#x27;d say it&#x27;s important to distinguish between &quot;ways I <i>could</i> use lots more energy&quot; and &quot;ways I might <i>actually</i> use lots more energy&quot;.<p>The former is easy. I <i>could</i> decide to let my house&#x27;s insulation just rot and heat it with electricity. But even that probably won&#x27;t even get me to 10x. I could suddenly decide I want lots more &quot;stuff&quot; that takes lots of energy to manufacture. But I honestly can&#x27;t tell you what stuff that would be, especially since &quot;stuff&quot; is actually trending down for a lot of us, replaced by bits. I could want a bigger house in general, but even the relatively wealthy people I know are not generally upgrading to houses that take 100 times the energy to build and maintain as mine. That would literally be somehow stuffing a decent-sized subdivision into a single residence.<p>Ways I&#x27;m <i>actually</i> going to use 10x the energy are, IMHO, in short supply. And 100x is just mind-boggling.<p>The assumption about how the future is going to use more energy are generally based either on the idea that we&#x27;re going to continue exploding in population (increasingly poorly supported by the evidence), or possibly in some post-Rapture-of-the-Nerds civilization start burning energy doing some sort of calculations the likes of which we mostly can&#x27;t imagine. I say we can&#x27;t imagine the calculations because merely &quot;fully simulating a human and their environment&quot; is probably <i>already less energy</i> that you use now in this environment; someday our great-great-to-the-X grandchildren may be horrified by the way we pumped gas into our gas tanks not because of the environmental damage for an environment they don&#x27;t really care about, but because each tank of gas could have provided enough energy for 10 or 100 or whoknows how many human-equivalent life simulations.<p>At the moment, I just don&#x27;t see very many reasons why an HN reader is likely to use 10x the power that they do now.
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f_allwein超过 8 年前
This is exactly what Michio Kaku writes about in &quot;The Physics of Extraterrestrial Civilizations&quot;: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mkaku.org&#x2F;home&#x2F;articles&#x2F;the-physics-of-extraterrestrial-civilizations&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mkaku.org&#x2F;home&#x2F;articles&#x2F;the-physics-of-extraterrestri...</a><p>He argues that a civilization&#x27;s progress should be measured by the amount of energy at its disposal. According to this, a civilization that can command all its planet&#x27;s energy (Type I) would be able to modify the weather, alter the course of earthquakes, volcanoes, and build cities on their oceans.
PaulHoule超过 8 年前
Very carefully -- not to heat up my environment. In dense cities heat output is already about 1% of solar input.
bbcbasic超过 8 年前
We could use the energy to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
sharemywin超过 8 年前
Legion of robotic minions.