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Google's diversity numbers haven't budged, and it just lost its diversity chief

26 点作者 pastalex超过 8 年前

13 条评论

fmitchell0超过 8 年前
I understand the tendency to conclude &#x27;that is great, but are they qualified b&#x2F;c that is what matters&#x27; logic. It&#x27;s something you (especially if you were educated in America, like me) have to consciously unlearn.<p>For those that want the science and math behind diverse teams (as I&#x27;ve given this talk numerous times), there are bunch of links on the last slide of my deck: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slides.com&#x2F;fmitchell&#x2F;how-math#&#x2F;10" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slides.com&#x2F;fmitchell&#x2F;how-math#&#x2F;10</a><p>If you want to see the actual talk I gave at O&#x27;Reilly, it&#x27;s here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=02HS9wjgfQY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=02HS9wjgfQY</a>
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kukac超过 8 年前
Maybe they realized that diversity is not the most important thing in the world. Also all these diversity officers make me cringe.
d33超过 8 年前
Are there any papers on what are the effects of diversity to a culture of programmers? I&#x27;d love to once see a scientific approach rather than the political one.
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blkcod3r超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m a very qualified blk cod3r that just got turned down for a job at fb. I thought the interview went well, but I guess the interviewer didn&#x27;t share that sentiment. Either way, I&#x27;m not mad...so just wanna preempt any attempt to suggest that we&#x27;re not being held to the same standards as everybody else...
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PopsiclePete超过 8 年前
&quot;Diversify Chief&quot; makes me cringe a bit. Makes me think of the modern-day version of the &quot;Political Commissar&quot; - there to make sure that you&#x27;re always towing the Party Line.<p>Not that I&#x27;m against diversity or anything, I just don&#x27;t like how it&#x27;s enforced as a goal unto itself.
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facepalm超过 8 年前
A lot of talk is about hiring practices (like blind assessments), or retention. But that ignores a question that should be easy to answer: are there a significant number of qualified &quot;diverse&quot; applicants that could be hired with the right approach?<p>I seriously doubt any qualified developer would have troubles landing a job, regardless of race. Therefore I think the talk about hiring practices and cultural exclusion are misguided. Looking at the pipeline might be more promising, but it seems even Google can not turn the lives of millions of people around single-handedly.
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aeturnum超过 8 年前
Apple seems to have pretty decent numbers compared to the rest of the field. Any insight into how they accomplished that?
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protomyth超过 8 年前
It would be nice to see the diversity reports[1] actually count enrolled tribal members in the US. California has the second highest count by state in the US.<p>1) article mentions <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackerlife.co&#x2F;blog&#x2F;tech-companies-diversity&#x2F;San-Francisco-Bay-Area-CA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackerlife.co&#x2F;blog&#x2F;tech-companies-diversity&#x2F;San-Fran...</a><p>[edit: downvoted in a diversity thread for asking for more diversity]
edblarney超过 8 年前
To be clear: Google does not have a &#x27;diversity problem&#x27;.<p>They are very diverse, and minorities are well represented as a block.<p>What they have is a &#x27;not enough Blacks and Latinos&#x27; problem.<p>And - &#x27;not enough Females in management positions&#x27; problem, possibly.<p>The underlying issue which some fail to address is the fact that if you only have 15% of tech grads female, and 0.1% African American - it&#x27;s really difficult to have &#x27;50% female coders&#x27; or &#x27;10% African American coders&#x27;. Actually, I&#x27;d argue it&#x27;s impossible.<p>A really interesting survey I read saw that Males in the Valley tend to think that the &#x27;talent pool&#x27; is the issue (i.e. as I stated above), but Females tend to think the big issue is a &#x27;lack of role models&#x27;.<p>Maybe I&#x27;m biased being a guy, but I do think that it&#x27;s primarily the talent pool issue, but I do concede that &#x27;lack of role models&#x27; is probably a concern.<p>I think that this is a concern, but a soft one, and that if a company like Google - which is very open minded and progressive struggles with it, well, it&#x27;s a tough one to crack. As long as they are trying to make inroads there, then that&#x27;s good.<p>I don&#x27;t think that we should hold them to any specific standard or shame them.
yuhong超过 8 年前
The employment anti-discrimination laws was originally designed for manual labor and similar jobs. I suggest a compromise limiting the kinds of jobs these laws apply to.
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popobobo超过 8 年前
You may look at the percentages of each ethnic groups studying cs or even STEM before pointing fingers to enterprises. There is no discrimination on choosing majors. And college kids don&#x27;t go to classes anyway, no matter how racist your professors can be.
draw_down超过 8 年前
I think there is a lot of goodwill and good intentions behind this issue, but I suspect that our understanding of it is missing something (I don&#x27;t know what). And it&#x27;s pretty obvious that whatever we&#x27;re trying to do as an industry isn&#x27;t working. I expect this state of affairs (industry wanting to do better but not improving much) to continue until something about this changes materially.
HillaryBriss超过 8 年前
Most of the tech giants are right in the middle of California. California has almost a 50% Latino population, but tech giants have less than a 15% Latino employee base.<p>I&#x27;m always amazed that California&#x27;s progressive political leadership isn&#x27;t constantly hammering these companies to make their workforce look more like the California population.<p>I wonder what would happen if Jerry Brown and Kevin De Leon pulled a Trump on Google, Apple, Facebook and Uber.<p>&quot;Hire California Latino workers or we will tax your ass out of existence!!!&quot;<p>Instead, they turn a blind eye.
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