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Realtime Analysis of the Oroville Dam Disaster

310 点作者 rodionos超过 8 年前

22 条评论

kolbe超过 8 年前
I like what you're trying to accomplish, but you are missing a very helpful piece of information in your analysis. I'm sure you noticed how poor of a predictor rain fall is in your assessment of how much water will be added to Lake Oroville. This is largely because Oroville is filled from Sierra Nevada runoff. If a particular storm system is warm (as was the case with the latest one), it will mostly rain in the Sierras. This has a twofold effect: one, the precipitation doesn't stay put at higher elevations (as snow does), and two, it melts the existing snow, causing it to also be added to the downstream water accumulation. So a key part of forecasting is not only to look at expected precipitation, but also the expected snow levels.
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stuckagain超过 8 年前
Wow almost every statement here is wrong.<p>#1: the dam is managed in the winter about 1 million acre feet below the top, for flood control purposes. The spillway has been operating all winter long.<p>#2: The operator cannot decide to use the emergency spillway. Water just goes over it when it approaches the top of the dam.<p>#3: no water has gone over the dam. That would destroy it.
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mturmon超过 8 年前
Kind of a fun study, enabled by the presence of so much public-domain data from CA DWR.<p>One piece that&#x27;s missing from this analysis is upstream precipitation. You are sensing precip at Oroville itself, but water in the dam comes from everywhere upstream (3600 square miles according to [1]). As well as (potentially) snowmelt.<p>People doing forecasting of reservoir levels will be integrating distributed precipitation information, snowpack, and temperature, with a soil runoff and routing model to get predictions.<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdec.water.ca.gov&#x2F;cgi-progs&#x2F;profile?s=ORO&amp;type=dam" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdec.water.ca.gov&#x2F;cgi-progs&#x2F;profile?s=ORO&amp;type=dam</a>
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harlanlewis超过 8 年前
This is terrific. Would be a great resource for journalists to identify and understand some of the key points that can then be shared in a more public-friendly format. I wish all stories had this kind of accessible data “behind the news” that could be explored!<p>Here&#x27;s a great article on climate change&#x27;s effects on our water infrastructure in light of the Oroville Dam&#x27;s situation: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;02&#x2F;14&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;what-californias-dam-crisis-says-about-the-changing-climate.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;02&#x2F;14&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;what-californias-...</a><p>An example - the bulk of California&#x27;s water storage is in the natural reservoir of mountain snowpack. The large volume of precipitation this year, much of it as high-altitude rain falling on snow, has caused an extraordinary amount of snowmelt in a short period of time. The natural reservoir of snowpack is rapidly released into our manmade resorvoirs and strains or exceeds their capacity. This cycle of alternating extremes, drought to wet, is expected to continue, and our water infrastructure&#x27;s capabilities must be planned in light of that.
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seanp2k2超过 8 年前
More analysis on the dam situation: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.metabunk.org&#x2F;oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.metabunk.org&#x2F;oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381...</a>
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mxfh超过 8 年前
Would it be feasible to dig out another minor temporary overspill or diversion out of the basin into another one somewhere far away from the dam, and more importantly the emergency spillway?<p>Dry Creek basin seems to have some points were it&#x27;s just a few meters of a hump over the emergency spillway level.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ngmdb.usgs.gov&#x2F;maps&#x2F;topoview&#x2F;viewer&#x2F;#16&#x2F;39.6744&#x2F;-121.5609" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ngmdb.usgs.gov&#x2F;maps&#x2F;topoview&#x2F;viewer&#x2F;#16&#x2F;39.6744&#x2F;-121...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opentopomap.org&#x2F;#map=17&#x2F;39.67423&#x2F;-121.55954" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opentopomap.org&#x2F;#map=17&#x2F;39.67423&#x2F;-121.55954</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opentopomap.org&#x2F;#map=16&#x2F;39.65270&#x2F;-121.54263" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opentopomap.org&#x2F;#map=16&#x2F;39.65270&#x2F;-121.54263</a>
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caseyf7超过 8 年前
This is a great analysis.<p>However, this seems a little off: &quot;Based off of our estimate, for every inch of rainfall at the Oroville dam, 136,790.5 acre-feet will be added to the reservoir.&quot; The relationship probably isn&#x27;t linear. Much less of the first inch of rain makes it to the reservoir vs. the 5th inch of rain.<p>Hopefully, the next iteration will project how many inches of rain it will take this weekend to top the spillway again.
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clamprecht超过 8 年前
Several pilots have published videos of overflying the Oroville Dam. Here&#x27;s one from a guy who makes some good videos:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=q2YHGR3kVLk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=q2YHGR3kVLk</a><p>The money shot is at 2:25
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NDizzle超过 8 年前
Thanks for putting this together. Keep me in your thoughts, guys. There&#x27;s a lot of misinformation about what&#x27;s going on up there. I&#x27;m in Yuba City, 2 miles away from the feather and 30 ft up.<p>They reduced the mandatory evacuation order but more and more emergency personnel are arriving. There are (unfounded at the moment) local reports of water seeping underneath the emergency spillway weir.
astrodust超过 8 年前
As always, the quirky units Americans insist on using never cease to amaze.<p>Acre-feet. Of course.<p>The only thing missing here is nautical miles and football fields.
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ransom1538超过 8 年前
Oroville dam feeds into the Feather river, the Folsom dam feeds into the American river. Here is the kicker: both the American and Feather feed the Sacramento river - a major bottle neck.<p>Folsom dam has turned on the spill at insane rates the past few days. I wish people living in Sacramento county (my parents) would take things more seriously.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdec.water.ca.gov&#x2F;cgi-progs&#x2F;queryDaily?s=FOL&amp;d=13-Feb-2017+03:47&amp;span=1month" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdec.water.ca.gov&#x2F;cgi-progs&#x2F;queryDaily?s=FOL&amp;d=13-Fe...</a>
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Symbiote超过 8 年前
I realise this is done to show off the ATSD tool, but it would also make a really good example using a Jupyter Notebook. GitHub will process and render those itself.<p>Example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;benlaken&#x2F;Comment_BadruddinAslam2014&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;Monsoon_analysis.ipynb" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;benlaken&#x2F;Comment_BadruddinAslam2014&#x2F;blob&#x2F;...</a>
anigbrowl超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s great that you&#x27;re building on this dataset but I&#x27;m not sure you&#x27;re well-placed to pronounce on it being a disaster. Database expertise doesn&#x27;t make you an expert on civil engineering.
alextheparrot超过 8 年前
I really enjoy the graphs and analysis produced by this project, but does it irk anyone else that the Y-axis does not start at 0 in all the graphs? There are some graphs further down the page that start and 0 and they seem to show the data so much better (Water is increasing, but not 50x or whatever).
chris_7超过 8 年前
What ever happened to the Mosul dam? Stories from about a year ago made it sound like collapse was imminent, but it hasn&#x27;t happened yet. Did they do repairs, or are they just unsure when it will happen?
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Fiahil超过 8 年前
It looks like someone had spend quite some time doing this on working hours. It is to showcase something (&quot;where is the ad?&quot;), or someone asked and paid for this analysis?
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rismay超过 8 年前
This is a very educated estimate. Let&#x27;s hope it rains less than 2 inches per day.
dkarapetyan超过 8 年前
Will a lot of infrastructure survive the new weather patterns?
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pm24601超过 8 年前
&quot;Disaster&quot; ? not yet (and I hope not ever)
AnimalMuppet超过 8 年前
<i>Please</i> tell me Betteridge&#x27;s Law of Headlines does not apply here...
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mathgenius超过 8 年前
What is the point of all this data and analytics if the author does not even speculate on an answer to the question that is being asked?
erikpukinskis超过 8 年前
I never considered it, but maybe climate change will help clear some of our waterways of harmful dams.
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