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Show HN: Clozemaster – Learn language in context

145 点作者 cmmike大约 8 年前

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cmmike大约 8 年前
Hi Hacker News! My name&#x27;s Mike. I&#x27;m the creator of Clozemaster.<p>Clozemaster is language learning through mass exposure to vocabulary in context. The goal is to fill in the missing word in a given sentence. The missing word is the most difficult word in the sentence according a frequency list for that language, and the sentences are from the awesome dataset at Tatoeba.<p>I started the site just under a year ago to answer the question &quot;what should I do after finishing Duolingo?&quot;. Since then it&#x27;s grown to support over 50 languages, mobile apps, and thousands of users. It&#x27;s useful for learners at almost any level, from beginner to advanced, and makes a great complement to Duolingo, textbooks, classrooms, etc. to practice vocab in context.<p>You can play the Fluency Fast Track which gives you a sentence for each unique missing word in order of increasing difficulty, jump in to sentences grouped by frequency from the 100 most common words to the 10,000 most common, or just play random sentences. There&#x27;s also &quot;cloze-listening&quot; - hear the sentence first, then see it and fill in the missing word.<p>Thought Hacker New might find Clozemaster interesting and hopefully useful! It&#x27;s still very much a work in progress - I have a bunch more features planned and I&#x27;m working to improve it all the time. I&#x27;m also open to any feedback and happy to answer any questions!
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tasubotadas大约 8 年前
I am a regular Duolingo learner but I have yet to see how this is better in a significant way (I am not trying to be a dick but just giving honest opinion - sorry :( ). Or maybe I just missed something.<p>I played around with your product and I&#x27;ve found that I need to enter words or select missing ones like in Duolingo. It seems a bit more difficult than Duolingo though.<p>The biggest problem to me with Duolingo that it doesn&#x27;t explain certain language rules (I am learning German) and you have to brute-force until you &quot;get a feeling&quot; and memorize patterns.<p>Another problem, is that there is very little focus on developing your speaking skills which (to me at least) are the most important.<p>I would really love to see some emphasis on speaking skill development.<p>Even more, Duolingo sucks at text understanding development - you get to learn sentence by sentence, but you are never getting a &quot;full picture&quot;. So when you get a proper, full text (some short article, for example) in another language, it just feels a bit overwhelming.<p>Basically, what I am trying to convey and what&#x27;s missing (for me) in this kind of apps, is that learning language is not about filling in missing words in the sentences.<p>Btw, I really like that you charge $8 - IMO Duolingo here misses out a huge chunk of money. I would easily pay $5 and probably up to $10 but now I have just to &quot;endure&quot; one ad every 5min which doesn&#x27;t bother me at all.
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pcmonk大约 8 年前
I really like the format and premise.<p>It doesn&#x27;t seem, however, to be sufficiently flexible in the various ways to fill in the blank (at least in Russian). For example, when given the sentence<p><pre><code> Как вы на это ___ </code></pre> with the translation &quot;how did you see that&quot;, I tried &quot;увидел&quot;, and it told me the correct answer was &quot;смотрите&quot;. That&#x27;s clearly another answer, but I&#x27;m not sure it&#x27;s any more than what I gave. Or perhaps my Russian isn&#x27;t as good as I thought?
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hawkice大约 8 年前
This is really, very nice. I&#x27;m getting to the end of the flash cards I&#x27;ve managed to pull together for Chinese (just HSK stuff, really), and this works so well.<p>[EDIT: I&#x27;m curious, if there is by-default reviews, is there some way to shut off the reviews for sentences I got right on the first try? There are so many sentences that I don&#x27;t imagine I&#x27;d get much benefit doubling back. That being said, I&#x27;m not sure there _are_ reviews, I just saw that review projections are in the pro thing, I think?]
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halfdan大约 8 年前
This is great. How did you do the frequency groupings for more complex languages like German or Icelandic? Did you use a word stemmer or did you find lists that include noun declensions?
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C4K3大约 8 年前
Hey I know this might be late, but using it there&#x27;s one major pain point with specifically the Japanese, in that what you have to input seems to be cut off at kind of arbitrary points, that make it annoying to input.<p>For example I just got the sentence 昨日本を買った where you have to fill in 買っ, but the Japanese input doesn&#x27;t work for just inputting 買っ, I have to type 買った and then hit backspace to delete the extra character. This happens a lot, probably in more than half of the sentences I&#x27;m getting, it seems like it really loves to end words on っ.<p>It&#x27;d be cool to change it so it splits words differently, or if that&#x27;s not possible make it accept extra input that matches the following characters, so inputting 買った would be accepted as correct.<p>Beyond that I&#x27;m loving the site, and it seems like you got a good business model, I&#x27;m still considering whether to try out pro.
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kvakvs大约 8 年前
Substitute a word requires certain language knowledge. This should be tested somehow, so that the application knows the user level. For example, having no prior Spanish knowledge I would not do substitute a word, and i can do listen exercises which show me some common words and already teach me something. This was enjoyable... for the first 3 minutes.<p>After just one run and 3 minutes into the registration it already is asking for money? I have no problem paying when I see what I&#x27;m paying for. Here I had too little time to see, and already am annoyed by this. So cloze-listening is already unreachable for me, and I would not play the other game without having any language knowledge. Fail right here.<p>Learning a language is a task for months, you&#x27;ll (the author) be very safe asking for money after several days or even weeks of trial.
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laurieg大约 8 年前
Awesome work! I&#x27;ve built similar projects like this but nothing at this scale, or this polished. I have a bunch of questions:<p>How do you deal with bad sentences&#x2F;mistakes in the source data? Even the best dictionaries I look at often have very odd example sentences (at least in Japanese&#x2F;English dictionaries). Do you have any plans to vet for things like this?<p>You measure word difficulty by frequency, but do you do any heuristics for sentence difficulty?<p>Do you have any idea if you method works? I&#x27;m not attacking you, what your site does is very similar to what I did on my own to learn a second language, but having hard data would be great.<p>Again, I really love the site, keep up the good work!
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carlmungz大约 8 年前
Good job! Having used Anki and the mass exposure technique to learn a bit of Spanish, I can see this becoming a useful tool in any language learner&#x27;s arsenal.
hpyhpyjoyjoy87大约 8 年前
Hi Mike,<p>Love this app, love the simplicity of the user interface.<p>Do you know of a way to quickly save words to a file?<p>(I ask because I&#x27;m brushing up on my chinese and have noticed I&#x27;ve forgotten some words.)<p>Thanks. (^-^)
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0xcb0大约 8 年前
Just want to say I like the app. The concept of understanding a word inside whole sentences make much more sense then only to learn single words.
danneu大约 8 年前
Clozemaster is great and has already become part of my daily drill.<p>I noticed that my daily streak grows just from doing a single exercise that day.<p>I recommend letting us set a point threshold (maybe low | medium | high) that we must meet to include the day in our streak.<p>It&#x27;s a lot more motivating and beneficial to maintain a streak that requires an investment of 15-30 min&#x2F;day.
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durkie大约 8 年前
In a similar vein: www.lyricstraining.com<p>Watch YouTube videos in whatever language you&#x27;re learning and fill in missing words. No connection to it...Just discovered it a few weeks ago and it&#x27;s super fun and addictive: you get to hear lots of new music and learn some serious comprehension.
atomk大约 8 年前
Hi Mike, loving the app so far. Any thoughts on a one-time lifetime payment for pro?
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raphinou大约 8 年前
Very cool! One suggestion: it might be good to remove words that are identical in both languages. I had multiple times a question where the missing word was (eg) the name of a sporter, which is evidently not translated.
magic_beans大约 8 年前
I think this is awesome, but I wish the phrases were categorized in some way. Also, it would be great if the phrases were common idioms or expressions, as those are the hardest to learn for non-native speakers.
zubairq大约 8 年前
This is much better than duo lingo. Amazing job!
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wccrawford大约 8 年前
It said to sign up for an account to save my progress. I did, but if it saved my progress, I can&#x27;t see it.
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michaelcampbell大约 8 年前
People into this style of learning may also want to look at bliubliu. Very similar.
hordeallergy大约 8 年前
The American flag for English?
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notvaluable大约 8 年前
Learning English from Spanish the only words I see you learn here are hurry, train, began and brake, and train appears a lot of times. The 10000 words are a better learning experience to test this device.
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