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Who is Anthony Levandowski, and why is Google suing him?

98 点作者 defenestration大约 8 年前

13 条评论

ChuckMcM大约 8 年前
Such an interesting case to watch from the outside.<p>Clearly the guy did not realize that Google spends inordinate amount of resources watching their own employees. When I was there, a couple of laptops were stolen from HQ and the amount, and detail, of the laptops they had (location beacons, video footage from dozens of cameras, and RAT like tools on the laptops themselves) let them capture the crooks, recover the laptops, and identify the contractor who had assisted in access to the building in something like a few hours after they were reported stolen. I was really impressed by that, it certainly let anyone who was thinking about it know just how silly it would be to try to do something counter to the company&#x27;s interests.<p>But this comment, <i>&quot;At Google, Levandowski said, he was always chafing at the slow pace of progress. He finally left the company in January 2016, a month after Waymo alleges he had downloaded the technical files, and within days had formed a new company, 280 Systems, which Waymo claims became Otto.&quot;</i> I find perhaps the most interesting. I can say a lot of things about Google but &#x27;slow&#x27; is not something that generally came to mind. So that is surprising.<p>And then there is what this guy put at risk, there is this comment: <i>&quot;After covering his tracks, the lawsuit alleges, Levandowski pocketed a multimillion-dollar payout from Google and, using the secrets he had just stolen, promptly set up a new company, Otto, which was acquired shortly after by Uber for around $680m.&quot;</i><p>Presumably, as part of the acquisition he was signing that he wasn&#x27;t infringing on any previous agreements by joining and that he had rights to the material in question. And so if this goes against him, it seems Google will have cause to get back their payouts, and Uber will have cause to get back the $680M they paid too. And perhaps a huge chunk of that will come out of his own net worth. Maybe he squirreled away a bunch of cash that he thinks is out of reach of the IRS&#x2F;Courts but really?<p>Going to be interesting indeed.
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username223大约 8 年前
&gt; He also found a lobbyist and got involved in getting laws passed in Nevada and California to allow the testing of autonomous vehicles. His backroom lobbying did not endear him to some executives at Google.<p>&gt; “I thought you could just do it yourself,” he said. “Then I found out that there is a team dedicated to that, a process. Got a little bit in trouble for doing it.”<p>Wow. What world is this guy living in, where he thought he should personally hire a lobbyist to change some laws to make his job easier? Maybe it&#x27;s the difference between me and a 10x-er, but I just don&#x27;t understand this.
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imh大约 8 年前
&gt;“Google was very supportive, but they absolutely did not want their name associated with a vehicle driving in San Francisco,” he said. “They were worried about an engineer building a self-driving car that kills someone and it gets back to Google.”<p>In what possible world is that a bad thing to worry about?!
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jb613大约 8 年前
What concerns me is that we are going to see more and more of this in the coming years - corporations concerned over ex-employees taking their knowledge with them and taking legal recourse. In this case, they complain about access of 14k proprietary files - which is pretty damning, but I could see similar damning evidence over accessing a couple of critically important design docs relatively near the end of employment. How do you distinguish between files being accessed merely for the purpose out your work vs theft? How can you ascertain what was in their minds and hearts for accessing for those files - and worse, how little would it take to sway a judge or jury that accessing of such files were deliberate (ie part of the bigger picture)? Courts have been wrong before. Previous generations this didn&#x27;t come up because they stayed in 1 or 2 jobs their entire lives, at least in this aspect, today&#x27;s environment is completely different.
jsjohnst大约 8 年前
The actual complaint [0] filed February 23rd is extremely thorough and very damning. Somehow I&#x27;m not shocked.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;0B7dzPLynxaXuQjY3dkllZ2ZKb0k&#x2F;view" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;0B7dzPLynxaXuQjY3dkllZ2ZKb0k...</a>
coldcode大约 8 年前
Move fast and break things has interesting side effects. If in fact you can prove he took documents, not just what was in his brain, then likely Google will win as that law is fairly obvious. If you can&#x27;t, what knowledge he knows that he took with him is much more difficult to prove as &quot;stolen&quot;.
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dboreham大约 8 年前
Presumably they can cite the decision in Hooil vs. Pied Piper
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mingyeow大约 8 年前
I am actually sincerely curious - is this considered a felony if proven? Seems like a major offense to steal such a massive amount of information blatantly for self enrichment, even if done under the missive of &quot;changing the world&quot;<p>This cannot end well.
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vinchuco大约 8 年前
&gt;The engineer made Google a world leader in self-driving cars. Now the company is accusing him of stealing its secrets and taking them to Uber<p>Oh. OK.<p>The title is not too informative and sort of clickbaity.
dclowd9901大约 8 年前
One thing I hadn&#x27;t thought of til just now: how was he able to start a company in a competing market right after leaving google?
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fffernan大约 8 年前
He should go to jail. The state of California should prosecute him.
joshu大约 8 年前
Strangely the article deletes Sebastian Thrun&#x27;s roll. Shitty journalism.
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SNBasti大约 8 年前
Just curious, is he related to the football player Robert Levandowski from FC Bayern ? :)
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