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State.of.dev – Explore the current state of development

160 点作者 chillax大约 8 年前

22 条评论

inconshreveable大约 8 年前
I love the <i>idea</i> of this: that there is a place you could go to get a pulse on the opinions of technology professionals regarding the tools they&#x27;re working with.<p>So I apologize for the negativity that follows; it&#x27;s a cool idea, and you&#x27;ve put work into it and made it look very pretty. That being said: unfortunately, without it being backed up by _data_, this is just one person&#x27;s opinion and ultimately not very worthwhile as is.<p>Furthermore the presentation of the data along a single axis &#x27;adoption&#x27; (or sometimes &#x27;expectation&#x27;) is even more confusing. Technology comparisons are not helpful plotted on a single variable as the comparator. It also leads to some very bizzare plots where somehow &#x27;mariadb&#x27; has more &#x27;adoption&#x27; than &#x27;mysql&#x27; or &#x27;postgres&#x27;
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dfansteel大约 8 年前
I have a lot of trouble believing that the author of this page has much experience with iOS development. As such it calls into question the rest of their evaluations. Cocoa programming is the place I can speak intelligently, so I&#x27;m going to limit my remarks to that.<p>Let&#x27;s start with Objective-C which is being listed as &quot;Enlightenment&quot; on the cusp of &quot;Productivity&quot;. Objective-C has been around for 30 years. Check out the Swarm Library. An Objective-C library developed first in the 90&#x27;s for research into CA. I won&#x27;t go into the whole history, but it&#x27;s been a productive language since the mid 90&#x27;s.<p>In Text Editors, Xcode is listed as &quot;Challenged&quot; by what? There&#x27;s no mention of AppCode at all. The Cocoa IDE marketplace is so small I cannot name another editor without going to google. Listing it as &quot;Challenged&quot; may appeal to people who aren&#x27;t experienced with it, but it&#x27;s still the accepted tool for Cocoa development.<p>For iOS Development... I know React Native is popular among newcomers, almost exclusively because they&#x27;d rather not learn a new language, but I can name exactly 0 mobile professionals who use it. Yes, I know Facebook uses it. Facebook apps are objectively terrible. They get away with it because React Native is moderately better than mobile web.<p>&#x2F;rant
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meesterdude大约 8 年前
the problem with this is it&#x27;s opinions of the creator, presented as imperial fact - as if it&#x27;s actually representative.<p>This is dangerous, because people who are easily mislead will see this and become java developers - or hire only .net developers, because they saw that graph.<p>I&#x27;ve browsed around - every one of these graphs is completely irrational, tells nothing substantive, or are misleading at the least. There are <i>some</i> truths scattered about, but by and large it&#x27;s largely nonsense.<p>Graphs tell a story - and every one of those stories is either entirely made up, or has some pretty disputable results.<p>there IS a story to tell, but it takes more than a graph to tell it. There&#x27;s a lot of &quot;it depends&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t mean to gutpunch the author. I strongly disagree with this project - but commend the effort. the design is clear and straightforward, and it&#x27;s another project shipped. That&#x27;s certainly worth something.<p>edit:<p>from the related writeup:<p>&gt; What makes this visualisation so attractive, is that it provides you with a starting point for understanding and exploring a certain market and it’s key technologies.<p>&gt; That information can help you decide whether to either invest your time and money into an emerging technology, or wait for the hype to pass.<p>this is <i>exactly</i> the kind of takeaways you should not be making from these graphs.
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pc86大约 8 年前
Whoever wrote this doesn&#x27;t seem to have much experience with the .NET ecosystem.<p>Referring to F Sharp as &quot;#F&quot;; saying Visual Studio is in the &quot;growth&quot; phase; no mention of IIS under web server or SQL Server under database or Xamarin under any of the relevant mobile sections.<p>Overall I like the visualizations though
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yvoschaap2大约 8 年前
I build this as a side project. I enjoy doing research for certain topics, and usually end up drawing a graph that positions all concepts so I get a good understanding of a market.<p>I build a tool around that, which became State.of.dev.<p>Read more about its future plans: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@yvoschaap&#x2F;state-of-dev-c609cc12084b" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@yvoschaap&#x2F;state-of-dev-c609cc12084b</a>
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diegoprzl大约 8 年前
Visual Studio in growth?<p>Atom&#x2F;Vim&#x2F;Sublime in maturity?<p>Eclipse&#x2F;Xcode&#x2F;Emacs challenged?<p>Emacs almost superseded? Superseded by what exactly?<p>At least the text editor section doesn&#x27;t make any sense to me. Atom more mature than Emacs&#x2F;Eclipse&#x2F;Visual Studio? Visual Studio Code is in growth, Visual Studio is a very mature product.
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idop大约 8 年前
Nice project, needs a bit of work though, mostly in the form of explaining the data in the graphs.<p>Also, two points: * It&#x27;s SQLite, not SqlLite. * Yeoman has been around for ages and I&#x27;ve never met a person who actually uses it. How is it under &quot;Release&quot;?
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k__大约 8 年前
It&#x27;s a bit strange that most of the used graphs imply some kind of chronoligical order.<p>First Hype, than disillusionment etc.<p>But some things, like the waterfall model were considered productive once and aren&#x27;t now.<p>Also, GraphQL isn&#x27;t a databse but an API layer&#x2F;protocol.
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badosu大约 8 年前
Could anyone clarify why PostgreSQL is <i>challenged</i>? Challenged by who?<p>No sarcasm intended, I am a bit confused by this.
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thehardsphere大约 8 年前
I think the idea of having some site like this has some merit to it, but this idea of plotting them on these graphs is misleading and inappropriate.<p>The graphs are drawn as line charts, with everything being points on the line. This creates the illusion that every technology goes through a lifecycle between all of these states in the exact same path. This is utter nonsense.<p>Take for instance, your technology graph, where you list &quot;Augmented Reality&quot; as being in the &quot;Disillusionment&quot; phase. Being a point on the curve, along with every other point on the curve, it&#x27;s implicit that someday &quot;Augmented Reality&quot; may move to be more widely adopted in the &quot;Productivity plateau.&quot; But that may never happen; it may just end up being a fad that Nintendo tried to make money off of and never really succeeded at. Nevermind that it&#x27;s debatable what &quot;productivity&quot; is for a concept like AR.<p>These graphs also give no real useful information on their Y-axis. It&#x27;s not really useful to know if the author thinks that Swift is about to peak and that Java has plataued. It may be extremely useful to know how many people are starting new Swift projects, relative to other langauges in the same niche (e.g. Obj-C, maybe Java if you want to include Android? Idk it&#x27;s not my niche). That might be information someone can use to decide whether they should start a project in Swift or do something else.<p>Also, the selection of these charts themselves is a little odd. Why a chart devoted just to PHP frameworks? Is this the State of Dev or the state of people who only know one language and read about the rest in school?
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hyporthogon大约 8 年前
Gartner&#x2F;Forrester approach is great but I think a little more useful for the business planning side (the time dimension is more about market value). Similar vein but more on the &#x27;tech worth checking out&#x2F;playing with&#x2F;deploying in-prod&#x27; side (panel opinion): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thoughtworks.com&#x2F;radar" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thoughtworks.com&#x2F;radar</a>
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soft_dev_person大约 8 年前
A fun little site. But how is Sublime in &quot;Release&quot;?
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sotojuan大约 8 年前
That there is no JS framework in &quot;mature&quot; after a decade or so of SPAs says a lot :-)<p>I wouldn&#x27;t call Ember &quot;challenged&quot; though, since it&#x27;s evolving constantly and adding features inspired by a lot of new tools.
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mkj大约 8 年前
What no c++? Perhaps it should be stateofwebdev.com. Or web.stateofdev.com ;)
vinceguidry大约 8 年前
I love this. I especially like how insights fall out of the presentation. For example, looking at the Product Development graph, there isn&#x27;t anything that&#x27;s really an innovation trigger there. Not seeing something there makes the mind want to put something there, and there is your insight on the status of Product Development methodologies; a space ripe for disruption.
nurettin大约 8 年前
Are those statistical distributions? One looks like a bell curve, but I don&#x27;t recognize the other.
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fiatjaf大约 8 年前
I like it, but it is just your opinion, right? It is strange to have a website for that.
known大约 8 年前
Vey interesting compilation; I really like it; Thank you;
vishbin大约 8 年前
What is the data source for the graphs ?
raulk大约 8 年前
GraphQL is <i>not</i> a database.
rbanffy大约 8 年前
Emacs challenged?! Nonsense! ;-)
ommunist大约 8 年前
Looks like no build tools on maturity plateau, also no design patterns there.