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I Built a Bot to Apply to Thousands of Jobs at Once

186 点作者 miraj大约 8 年前

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r3bl大约 8 年前
Am I the only one who&#x27;s really interested in the actual bot? The article doesn&#x27;t say a lot about this, but from what it does, I can&#x27;t figure out the approach used.<p>Did he scrape LinkedIn? I would say no, LinkedIn has a high level of understanding what bots are. Did he scrape some random websites? How did he apply to a different number of jobs in two different versions of the software? Was the whatever job posting his bot was looking at drastically changing the number of open positions or something?<p>Also, how did he tweak the input over time? Did he had some set of, let&#x27;s say, 10 different versions of the resume and the cover letter, and then the bot just chose one randomly or was there something else?<p>There&#x27;s so many things I&#x27;m unable to figure out on the technical side from the article that I&#x27;m leaning towards this whole &quot;I built a bot&quot; thing is an over-exaggeration from the author to get the message across.
donovanm大约 8 年前
So according to this article, most jobs aren&#x27;t posted and most jobs are filled through referrals. Even if you somehow make it through the arbitrary automated tracking system gatekeeper you&#x27;re still really unlikely to get the job from a random application. Any hiring managers here that can share if this matches their experience?
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bigiain大约 8 年前
And people wonder why the hiring process is so broken. Of course recruiters and HR departments need to treat every application&#x2F;resume like crap... Except yours. Because you&#x27;re a unique snowflake and they can easily discern your application from this guy&#x27;s spam...<p>(And I fully expect commission-renumerated recruiters are doing this pro-actively without even having any candidates yet to get ever-so-slightly-warmer intros than their cow orkers...)
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KarinneLima大约 8 年前
Good article! I&#x27;ve found out while working for the career center at a major university in the US that one should spend 80% of their job-searching energy in networking vs 20% applying. Even though applications are part of the process and personalized cover letters and thank you notes take up a lot of time, the odds are definitely in favor of those who make an effort to connect with the right people, who show genuine interest in their experience and learn as much as possible about the opportunities they pursue. Keeping a good relationship with former coworkers and employers is another great way to keep a healthy network. You never know where the next job or project will come from.
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logfromblammo大约 8 年前
Nitpick here.<p>&gt; <i>Referrals are the minority of applicants but are five times more likely to be hired.</i><p>From the article:<p><pre><code> P(referral) = 0.06 P(non-referral) = 0.94 P(referral|hired) = 0.29 P(non-referral|hired) = 0.71 </code></pre> What we&#x27;re looking for is<p><pre><code> P(hired|referral) &#x2F; P(hired|non-referral) = ? </code></pre> So reversing the two known conditionals, and dividing to eliminate the unknown probability for P(hired):<p><pre><code> P(hired|referral) = P(referral|hired) * P(hired) &#x2F; P(referral) P(hired|non-referral) = P(non-referral|hired) * P(hired) &#x2F; P(non-referral) P(hired|referral) &#x2F; P(hired|non-referral) = P(referral|hired) &#x2F; P(non-referral|hired) * P(non-referral) &#x2F; P(referral) = 0.40845 * 15.667 = 6.3991 </code></pre> Referrals are actually 6.4 times as likely to be hired. This is why stat and math classes are important, journalists.
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abraae大约 8 年前
Fascinating but flawed.<p>&gt; By targeting internet companies in particular, I’d chosen an industry with a high likelihood of reliance on resume-processing algorithms.<p>Internet companies hire knowledge workers&#x2F;creative types&#x2F;snowflakes.<p>By contrast banks, insurance companies and departments like call center hire armies of drones.<p>You are much more likely to find automated resume analysis in the latter, it works much better there.
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failrate大约 8 年前
The best jobs are not only not posted, they are jobs that don&#x27;t exist until you create them yourself.
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azurelogic大约 8 年前
Every time one of those &quot;Ask HN: How do I get a job&quot; comes around, I comment on the importance of networking over throwing resumes into an abyss. Inevitably, someone talks about how they got a great job with a cold application. It&#x27;s not that it is impossible, it is that it is less probable. It&#x27;s great to see articles that can support and explain this fact. As engineers, we tend to want to see raw brain power and experience be the yard stick for hiring. But for better or worse, &quot;people&quot; get involved, and suddenly there are a whole bunch of other metrics. The reality is that the 100+ year old phrase is still largely true today: &quot;It&#x27;s not what you know, it&#x27;s who you know&quot; (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.barrypopik.com&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;new_york_city&#x2F;entry&#x2F;its_not_what_you_know_but_who_you_know&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.barrypopik.com&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;new_york_city&#x2F;entry&#x2F;its_...</a>).
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blisterpeanuts大约 8 年前
Larger employers usually use a recruiter, either in-house or external. They simply don&#x27;t have time to sift through tens of thousands of cold-call resumes.<p>The best thing, as the article admits, is simply to know people inside an organization that you want to work for. There&#x27;s no better or more reliable way to get a foot in the door. You achieve that by networking like crazy and just getting to know lots of people. Go to every conference and industry event that you can, talk to lots of people there, get active in entrepreneurial groups (in Massachusetts it&#x27;s Enet and MITEF among others) and keep your LinkedIn profile updated. You never know when that casual conversation around the coffee urn turns into a more serious discussion that can lead to a job offer. I&#x27;ve seen it many times.<p>The next best practice, at least with larger traditional companies, is to cultivate a good recruiter or two, do a couple of contracting gigs and earn a reputation as a reliable worker, and then they will enthusiastically promote you to hiring managers. Stay away from the crappy, sleazy recruiters - you can recognize them from their spam, lack of response to inquiries, lack of track record. Go with one that has an industry track record and a reputation to protect.<p>A bot to apply to thousands of jobs? It&#x27;s a bit of a joke, really. The guy didn&#x27;t get an offer so that tells you how much that effort was worth.
ge96大约 8 年前
I wonder if you could just scrape the text in the job application the key words like &quot;Bachelor&#x27;s in Computer Science&quot; and &quot;3-5 years experience in .NET&quot; or whatever bundle of credentials they strap together and submitted that. That&#x27;s a definite match right? You&#x27;d get some notification, &quot;Hey uhh... we saw your resume.&quot; I&#x27;m just griping because I&#x27;m obsolete.
ploggingdev大约 8 年前
Does anyone have experience with job marketplaces? I don&#x27;t mean the mainstream ones, but ones like Stackoverflow jobs or Github jobs. Do they get closer to solving the problem of resume blackholes?
robert1er大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m the guy who wrote the article. I just came across this conversation and I have to say that you folks have touched on a ton of really interesting elements that I didn&#x27;t have the space to write. Overall, I agree with a ton of what I&#x27;m reading here and the critiques are also mostly fair. I just joined so that I could thank you all but I&#x27;d be happy to answer specific questions if anyone would like. Honestly, this is one of the most thoughtful discussions about the article I&#x27;ve come across. Thanks!
JSoet大约 8 年前
I was disappointed with the direction this article took - when he said he built a robot to send personalized applications I was hoping it would be reading the requirements and then sending personalized resumes and cover letters specifically built to get past the robot stage, but then waste the recruiter&#x27;s time to show how stupid the automated system is and how easy it is to game... Something like that anti-spam bot that was posted here a few months ago...
hocuspocus大约 8 年前
I&#x27;ve interviewed with many tech companies and the impact of personalized referrals has been completely anecdotal to me. I got my current job from a cold application.<p>With some companies it can take months before being noticed once you&#x27;ve applied online, but there&#x27;s been a few cases where I could apply in just one click and get contacted by a recruiter the same day!<p>Admittedly, I assume my experience might have been different if I applied for jobs at early stage startups.
bryanrasmussen大约 8 年前
he needs to do one with a nonsense cover letter, and one with varying length cover letters. I bet the robots that check there are cover letters make sure they are long enough to show that you care about getting the job, but not so long that you come off as needy.
mcguire大约 8 年前
&quot;<i>It’s not how you apply, it’s who you know. And if you don’t know someone, don’t bother.</i>&quot;
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ghufran_syed大约 8 年前
I think this data is interesting, like the author, I would have assumed <i>some</i> difference between the version that effectively said &quot;written by a bot&quot; and the other one. On the other hand, the conclusions are identical to what Richard Bolles [1] has been telling job seekers for the last 47 years. If you&#x27;ve never read this book, you really should, I remember when I first read it and realized &quot;Oh, THESE are the actual rules of how to get a job, no wonder my job application success rate is so dismal&quot; [1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.penguinrandomhouse.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;537247&#x2F;what-color-is-your-parachute-2017-by-richard-n-bolles&#x2F;9780399578212&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.penguinrandomhouse.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;537247&#x2F;what-color-is...</a>
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