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Fact Check now available in Google Search and News

302 点作者 fouadmatin大约 8 年前

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jawns大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m a former journalist, and one of the mistakes I often see people make is to either give too much or not enough credence to whether the facts in a news story (or op-ed) are true.<p>Obviously, if you disregard objective facts because they defy your assumptions or hurt your argument, you&#x27;re deluding yourself.<p>But an argument that uses objectively true and verifiable facts may nevertheless be invalid (i.e. it&#x27;s possible that the premises might be true but the conclusion false). Similarly, a news story might be entirely factual but still biased. And in software terms, your unit tests might be fine, but your integration tests still fail.<p>So here&#x27;s what I tell people:<p>Fact checking is like spell check. You know what&#x27;s great about spell check? It can tell me that I&#x27;ve misspeled two words in this sentance. But it will knot alert me too homophones. And even if my spell checker also checks grammar, I might construct a sentence that is entirely grammatical but lets the bathtub build my dark tonsils rapidly, and it will appear error-free.<p>Similarly, you can write an article in which all of the factual assertions are true but irrelevant to the point at hand. Or you can write an article in which the facts are true, but they&#x27;re cherry-picked to support a particular bias. And some assertions are particularly hard to fact-check because even the means of verifying them is disputed.<p>So while fact checking can be useful, it can also be misused, and we need to keep in mind its limitations.<p>In the end, what will serve you best is not some fact checking website, but the ability to read critically, think critically, factor in potential bias, and scrutinize the tickled wombat&#x27;s postage.
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endymi0n大约 8 年前
The problems aren&#x27;t facts. The problems are what completely distorted pictures of reality you can implicitly paint with completely solid and true facts.<p>If 45 states that &quot;the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.&quot; that&#x27;s absolutely and objectively true - except that Obama inherited the financial meltdown of the Bush era and Trump years of hard financial consolidation (while any legislation has a lag of at least a year to trickle down into any kind of reporting at government scale).<p>Fact-checking won&#x27;t change a thing about spin-doctoring. At least not in the positive sense.
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pawn大约 8 年前
I think this has huge potential for abuse. Let&#x27;s say politifact or snopes or both happen to be biased. Let&#x27;s say they both lean left or both lean right. Now an entire side of the aisle will always be presented by Google as false. I know that&#x27;s how most people perceive it anyway, but how&#x27;s it going to look for Google when they&#x27;re taking a side? Also, I have to wonder whether this will flag things as false until one of those other sites confirms it, or does it default to neutral?
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provost大约 8 年前
I want to think about this both optimistically and pessimistically.<p>It&#x27;s a great start and hope it leads to improvement, but this has the same psychological effect as reading a click-bait headline (fake news in itself) -- unless readers dive deeper. And just as with Wikipedia, the &quot;fact check&quot; sites could be gamed or contain inaccurate information themselves. Users never ask about the &#x27;primary sources&#x27;, and instead justread the headline for face-value.<p>My pessimistic expectation is that this inevitably will result in something like:<p>Chocolate is good for you. - Fact Check: Mostly True<p>Chocolate is bad for you. - Fact Check: Mostly True<p>Edit: Words
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sergiotapia大约 8 年前
Snopes and Politifact are not fact-checking websites.<p>&gt;Snopes’ main political fact-checker is a writer named Kim Lacapria. Before writing for Snopes, Lacapria wrote for Inquisitr, a blog that — oddly enough — is known for publishing fake quotes and even downright hoaxes as much as anything else.<p>&gt;While at Inquisitr, the future “fact-checker” consistently displayed clear partisanship. She described herself as “openly left-leaning” and a liberal. She trashed the Tea Party as “teahadists.” She called Bill Clinton “one of our greatest” presidents.<p>---<p>I think fact checking should be non-partisan, don&#x27;t you?
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allemagne大约 8 年前
I think that politifact, snopes, and most fact-checking websites I&#x27;m aware of are great and everyone should use them as sources of reason and skepticism in a larger sea of information and misinformation.<p>But they are not authorities on the truth.<p>Google is not qualified to decide who is an authoritative decider of truth. But as the de facto gateway to the internet, it really looks like they are now doing exactly that. I am deeply uncomfortable with this.
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throwaway71958大约 8 年前
This is incomplete: they need to also include the political affiliations of owners of &quot;fact check&quot; sites, and perhaps also FEC disclosure for donations above threshold, and sources of financial support. I.e. this site comes from PolitiFact, but its owner is a liberal and he took a bunch of money from Pierre Omidyar who also donated heavily to the Clinton Global Initiative. Puts the fact checks in a more &quot;factual&quot; light, IMO. Fact check on the fact check: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politifact.com&#x2F;truth-o-meter&#x2F;article&#x2F;2016&#x2F;jan&#x2F;14&#x2F;new-grant-will-help-politifact-grow&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politifact.com&#x2F;truth-o-meter&#x2F;article&#x2F;2016&#x2F;jan&#x2F;14&#x2F;...</a><p>Things have gotten hyper-partisan to the extreme in the past year or so, so you sometimes see things that are factually true rated as &quot;mostly false&quot; if they do not align with the narrative of the (typically liberal) owners.
pcmonk大约 8 年前
What I wish they would do is use their fancy AI to put in a link to the original source. Tracking down original sources is extremely tedious, but it generally gives you the clearest idea of what&#x27;s actually going on.
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artursapek大约 8 年前
I see Google having good intentions here, but I fall back to my previous sentiment on trying to assign &quot;true&#x2F;false&quot; for all political stories and discussions.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13793576" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13793576</a>
tabeth大约 8 年前
Fact checking is irrelevant. What&#x27;s necessary is education. Just like spell check will not allow you to magically compose elegant prose, fact check is not going to prevent people from being misled. Notice how both of these &quot;problems&quot; have the same solution. In fact, fact check can be counter productive as people now sprinkle their articles with irrelevant facts.<p>Education is the solution to all social problems.
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DanBC大约 8 年前
I&#x27;d be interested to see how it copes with UK newspapers.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;C6GuXQhWUAAN5F5.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;C6GuXQhWUAAN5F5.jpg</a><p>PROOF STATINS SAVE MILLIONS<p>STATINS IN NEW HEALTH ALERT<p>STATINS REALLY DO SAVE YOUR LIFE<p>HEALTH CHIEF SLAMS STATINS<p>HIGH DOSE OF STATINS CAN BEAT DEMENTIA<p>DOCTORS BAN ON STATINS<p>TAKE STATINS TO SAVE YOUR LIFE<p>NEW STATINS BOMBSHELL<p>OFFICIAL: STATINS ARE SAFE<p>STATINS: NEW SAFETY CHECKS<p>PROOF STATINS BEAT DEMENTIA<p>HOW STATINS CAN CAUSE DIABETES<p>STATINS FIGHT CANCER<p>STATINS SLASH RISK OF STROKE BY 30%<p>STATINS INCREASE RISK OF DIABETES<p>STATINS ADD A MERE 3 DAYS TO LIFE<p>STATINS DOUBLE RISK OF DIABETES<p>STATINS AGE YOU FASTER<p>NEW STATINS SAFETY ALERT<p>STATINS LINKED TO 227 DEATHS<p>PROOF AT LAST STATINS ARE SAFE
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sweetishfish大约 8 年前
Who fact checks the fact checkers?
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scottmsul大约 8 年前
A better idea would be to look for disagreements. Given a news article or claim, are there any sources out there which disagree? Then the user could browse both claims and decide for himself.
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ksk大约 8 年前
Are we in the twilight zone? An advertising company fact checking political discourse? Would google apply the same fact check to their own company?<p>&quot;Does Google dodge taxes&quot;
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civilian大约 8 年前
So I mean, this is just a metadata tag. Anyone can make one. I&#x27;m looking forward to Breitbart &amp; HuffPo abusing this...<p>I think it would be interesting to collect a list of websites that disagree on a claim review.
smsm42大约 8 年前
Reading the article, it looks like what is going on is that news publishers now can claim that their articles were fact checked, or certain article is a fact check article on another one, using special markup. They also say the fact checks should adhere to certain guidelines, but I don&#x27;t see how it would be possible for them to enforce any of these guidelines. It looks like just self-labelling feature, with all abuse potential inherent in this.
forgotpwtomain大约 8 年前
This is a bad slippery slope - it suggests that a &#x27;little sponsored banner&#x27; (which google chooses) can waive the necessity of being diligent in thought.
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throw2016大约 8 年前
&#x27;Fact checking&#x27; should be limited to blatantly false news items fabricated and posted for online ad clicks ie &#x27;Obama to move to Canada to help Trudeau run country&#x27; or &#x27;Trump applies for UK citizenship to free UK citizens from Brussels despots&#x27;. These should be relatively easy to identify and classify.<p>There is a wide line between the fabrications above and news and journalism as we know it full of opinion, bias, agendas, propaganda and maybe some facts twisted to suit narrative.<p>The latter takes human level ai to sift through and even then detecting bias, leanings or manipulation depends on one&#x27;s background, world view, specialization, knowledge levels, understanding of how the media works and a well informed general big picture state of the world.<p>This is impossible to classify for bias, falsehood or manipulation and will need readers to use their judgment. Trying to &#x27;control&#x27; this is like trying to control news, favouring media aligned to your world view and discrediting those whose views you disagree with. It is for all purposes propaganda as we understand the term. Calling it fact checking is sophistry.
josefresco大约 8 年前
What if I told you (cue the Morpheus meme), that people consuming the &quot;fake news&quot; don&#x27;t care that it&#x27;s fake? It&#x27;s called confirmation bias and winning. Education isn&#x27;t going to solve this issue, you can&#x27;t forcibly educate people nor can you change their core &quot;values&quot; and their determination to be &quot;right&quot;.<p>The only &quot;education&quot; that I can envision working is quantifying the real-world-impact of their votes on the <i>personal level</i>. Ex: Your health insurance was cancelled? The representative you voted for caused that. This unfortunately is normally executed with a partisan goal, however should be applied as a public service to all Americans.
debt大约 8 年前
this is just gonna create a pavlovian response akin to &quot;ah okay this is fact-checked i&#x27;ll read&quot; which&#x27;ll just compound the problem. it presumes that google&#x27;s fact-checking algorithms and methodology are sound.
oldgun大约 8 年前
Besides political debates, anyone else thinks this &#x27;ClaimReview&#x27; schema put to use by Google is one step towards the application of Semantic Web? There might be something more than just a &#x27;new app by Google&#x27; here.
orangepenguin大约 8 年前
There is obviously a lot of debate on whether or not fact checking is accurate and useful. I think simply presenting a fact check will help people think more critically about headlines they see every day. Like &quot;Mythbusters Science&quot;. It&#x27;s not perfect, but it helps people to think.<p>Relevant: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;397&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;397&#x2F;</a>
okreallywtf大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m amazed at how much cynicism I&#x27;m seeing here about this. People just keep repeating what can be boiled down to the same premise: complete objective truth basically doesn&#x27;t exist. Truth is messy, tricky, subjective business. This is not new, this is just how the world is. Truth and understanding is best-effort and always has been, so why is a tool to attempt to combat some of the most egregious falsehoods even remotely a bad thing? Nobody should claim that its bulletproof, but I&#x27;m not seeing anyone really do this? The problem is some of us never deal in absolutes, we see nuance in everything (climate science, economics, political science) but there are others who do deal in absolutes and make a killing doing so. Sitting around having the same debate over and over about facts and truth doesn&#x27;t do anything to tackle the problem.<p>My rule of thumb is that generally there is safety in numbers. Don&#x27;t trust any single source and don&#x27;t trust something that doesn&#x27;t have a chain of reasoning behind it. I trust all kinds of scientific statements that I don&#x27;t have the qualifications or time to vet myself - but we have to do our best and that often means doing a meta-analysis of how a conclusion was reached and how many other people&#x2F;groups (who themselves have qualifications and links to other entities with similar qualifications) that the statements are linked to.<p>Fake news isn&#x27;t 100 levels deep, its usually 1 level with no real supporting information. When people (like Trump) categorically denounce someone elses statement they often provide no real information of their own. Similarly, when refuting a fact-check, most people don&#x27;t dig into it and refute something in their chain of reasoning, they just say &quot;well that is just not true!&quot; and leave it at that.<p>We don&#x27;t need to fundamentally fix the nature of truth but we need to be able to combat the worst cases of misinformation and any tool that helps do that is great. Continuing the have the same philosophical debate about truth is fine from an academic standpoint but from a practical standpoint it is sometimes not helpful. I feel similarly about climate change - its great to acknowledge nuance but what good is that if we&#x27;re trending towards pogroms and a totalitarian dictatorship (to be hyperbolic, maybe)?
narrowrail大约 8 年前
Who will fact check the fact checkers?<p>Well, perhaps these trusted sources should implement a system similar to Quora&#x2F;StackExchange but for opposing arguments?<p>Lots of comments call into question the biases of sites like Snopes&#x2F;Politifact&#x2F;etc. and allowing some sort of adversarial response would help claims about &#x27;leftists wanting to control our minds.&#x27;<p>Maybe it&#x27;s just a widget at the bottom of a fact check post leading to a StackExchange&#x27;d subdomain. A wiki or subreddit could work as well. Anyone looking for a side project?
balozi大约 8 年前
One likely outcome from this is that Google Search and News will be now be perceived as partisan by the Hoi polloi. Same reason why the old media gatekeeper fell by the wayside.
ronjouch大约 8 年前
&gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.google&#x2F;products&#x2F;search&#x2F;fact-check-now-available-google-search-and-news-around-world&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.google&#x2F;products&#x2F;search&#x2F;fact-check-now-available...</a><p>Didn&#x27;t know Google has its own top-level domain oÔ. Previous HN discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12609551" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12609551</a>
pdimitar大约 8 年前
&quot;There&#x27;s only one truth and that is Google&quot;.<p>Haha, no. Keep trying though.<p>Plus, as journalists in this thread have said, you might stick to the facts 100% (which I doubt Google will resist the temptation to abuse in the future, but let&#x27;s leave that aside for now), your conclusion or subliminal message at the end might be entirely untrue and misguided.<p>Sorry, Google. You need wait the planet&#x27;s collective IQ to drop by several tens still. It&#x27;s not your time to dominate the news yet.
pklausler大约 8 年前
I really wish that major legitimate institutions of journalism (i.e., the ones that require multiple independent sources, publish corrections and retractions, &amp;c.) would just stop pussyfooting around with nice simple accurate words like &quot;lies&quot; when they&#x27;re reporting on somebody who&#x27;s blatantly lying. False equivalency and cowardice is going to get us all killed.
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MrZongle2大约 8 年前
So what takes place when the inevitable happens, and an employee decides that an existing &quot;fact check&quot; (conducted by a third party, Google hastens to add) is philosophically inconvenient and thus removes it?<p>Also, FTA: <i>&quot;Only publishers that are algorithmically determined to be an authoritative source of information will qualify for inclusion.&quot;</i><p>What&#x27;s the algorithm? Who wrote it?
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pcl大约 8 年前
The blog title is &quot;Fact Check now available in Google Search and News around the world&quot;. I think that the extra bit at the end is worthy of inclusion, as I expect this to become a point of contention over the years.<p>I would not be surprised if different governments take issue with Google adding any sort of editorial commentary, even if it&#x27;s algorithmically determined etc.
return0大约 8 年前
It&#x27;s a witch hunt. Science (rather, life sciences) has a similar problem. There are just enough (statistically significant) facts to push many agendas. Peer review weeds out some stuff, but that doesn&#x27;t stop a lot of wrong conclusions being pushed to the public.<p>Maybe a better solution is adversarial opinionated journalism, rather than this proposed fact-ism.
dragonwriter大约 8 年前
Original title is &quot;Fact Check now in Google Search and News&quot;; the different capitalization vs the current HN headline (&quot;Fact Check Now...&quot;) is significant, the new feature &quot;Fact Check&quot; is now available in Google Search and News, rather than a feature &quot;Fact Check Now&quot; being discussed in those services.
losteverything大约 8 年前
Billy Jack was rated M.<p>This is just another new rating system.<p>As long as they don&#x27;t prevent me from reading false things, I can live with it.<p>Keep it my choice.
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takeda大约 8 年前
I know a person who eats those &quot;alternative facts&quot; like candy. When I tried to prove one of them wrong, I pulled out a website to do a fact check and his response was: &quot;you trust Snopes?&quot; so I have doubts this will help much, but I would like to be wrong.
coryfklein大约 8 年前
Pretty neat! Unfortunately doesn&#x27;t help when searching for &quot;obama wiretap trump tower&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=obama+wiretap+trump+tower" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=obama+wiretap+trump+tower</a>
mark_l_watson大约 8 年前
I don&#x27;t like this, at all. People need to rely on their own reasoning skills and critical judgement and not let centralized authorities have a large effect on what people can read. I like systems to be decentralized and this seems to be the opposite.
Mithaldu大约 8 年前
Like very often when google says &quot;everywhere&quot; they don&#x27;t remotely mean everywhere and should instead be saying &quot;in the usa&quot;. My country&#x27;s edition of google news has no fact check at all.
ArchReaper大约 8 年前
Anyone have an alt link? &#x27;blog.google&#x27; does not resolve for me.
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westurner大约 8 年前
So, publishers can voluntarily add <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;schema.org&#x2F;ClaimReview" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;schema.org&#x2F;ClaimReview</a> markup as RDFa, JSON-LD, or Microdata.
DrScump大约 8 年前
It&#x27;s interesting timing that just today, for the first time in a couple of weeks, my Facebook feed has fake news clickbait ads again.<p>Unless both Kevin Spacey and Burt Reynolds are, in fact, dead. Again.
thr0waway1239大约 8 年前
Factual Unbiased Checks for Knowledge Upkeep by Google.
xster大约 8 年前
The fact that this came from CFR&#x2F;Hillary&#x27;s State Department&#x27;s Jigsaw is very troubling.
sova大约 8 年前
Hurrah for Google! Now if only Facebook and SocialNetworkGiants(tm) would follow suit!
codydh大约 8 年前
I tried a slew of recent statements that are objectively false but that a certain politician in the United States has tried to say are true. Google returned fact checks for exactly 0 of the queries I tried.
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retox大约 8 年前
I don&#x27;t trust Google to tell me the sky is blue.
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keebEz大约 8 年前
A fact has no truth value. Truth only comes from reason, and reason only exists in each person&#x27;s head. This is reducing the demand for reason, and thus destroying truth.
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ffef大约 8 年前
A great start in the right direction and a kudos for using Schema to help battle &quot;&#x27;fake news&#x27;&quot;
gokusaaaan大约 8 年前
who fact checks the facts checkers?
SJacPhoto大约 8 年前
And Who controls the fact-check facts?
isaac_is_goat大约 8 年前
Snopes and Politifact? Really? smh
huula大约 8 年前
Goodgirl!
gthtjtkt大约 8 年前
Snopes and Politifact are abject failures. Nothing but glorified bloggers who have declared themselves the arbiters of truth.<p>Even Rachel Maddow has called them out on numerous occasions, and she was rooting for the same candidate as them: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.msnbc.com&#x2F;rachel-maddow-show&#x2F;watch&#x2F;politifact-fails-again-destroy-277552195924" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.msnbc.com&#x2F;rachel-maddow-show&#x2F;watch&#x2F;politifact-fai...</a>
snowpanda大约 8 年前
Snopes and Politifact, they can&#x27;t be serious. Not that I expected them to pick a neutral source, nor am I surprised that Silicon Valley&#x27;s Google picked 2 leftist &quot;fact&quot; sources. This is a stupid idea, everyone has a bias. This isn&#x27;t to help people, this is to influence how people see things.
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