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‘Negative Mass’ Created at Washington State University

101 点作者 stonlyb大约 8 年前

12 条评论

gilgoomesh大约 8 年前
The headline is deeply misleading.<p>This article is <i>not</i> about classical negative mass or exotic matter – which would be major breakthroughs.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Negative_mass" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Negative_mass</a><p>It is about &quot;engineering&quot; of the dispersion relation – wave-related phenomena that can have counter-intuitive effects at small scales where multiple waves interfere:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dispersion_relation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dispersion_relation</a><p>In this case, the &quot;counter-intuitive&quot; effect is that the particles appear to move the wrong way when subjected to forces, resulting in an &quot;effective mass&quot; with a negative sign:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Effective_mass_(solid-state_physics)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Effective_mass_(solid-state_ph...</a><p>The particles still have exactly the same (positive) mass, they&#x27;re just moving the wrong way due to wave interference.<p>If you want to be <i>super</i> misleading... why not call it a &quot;tractor beam&quot;? They&#x27;re applying a push force but the particle is moving towards the push.<p>As others have noted, the abstract for the paper correctly characterizes the phenomena as &quot;negative effective mass&quot;. That word &quot;effective&quot; makes all the difference.
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c517402大约 8 年前
First sentence of abstract: &quot;A negative effective mass ...&quot;<p>Maybe change the title from clickbait.
pdonis大约 8 年前
As usual with pop science reporting, they fail to give a link to the actual paper. Here it is:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.aps.org&#x2F;prl&#x2F;abstract&#x2F;10.1103&#x2F;PhysRevLett.118.155301" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.aps.org&#x2F;prl&#x2F;abstract&#x2F;10.1103&#x2F;PhysRevLett.11...</a><p>And here is the preprint on arxiv.org, for those who don&#x27;t have access to academia paywalls:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1612.04055.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1612.04055.pdf</a><p>TL&#x2F;DR: The substance in question is a Bose-Einstein condensate, which is not an ordinary &quot;fluid&quot; and should not be expected to be have like one. This is simply one of the counterintuitive effects of quantum mechanics showing up in an experimental setting.
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charles-salvia大约 8 年前
The legendary &quot;Alcubierre drive&quot; concept for faster than light travel relies on the existence of negative mass to work. Up until now, I have always read that it was generally assumed that negative mass could not exist, making the Alcubierre drive little more than a fanciful equation. But... I guess not.<p>Edit: although, it&#x27;s not clear to me how significant a breakthrough this really is, compared with earlier attempts to create negative mass in a laboratory setting.
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AlphaCentury大约 8 年前
This is true that the mass of the individual atoms in the BEC is a positive scalar and we only observe a collective behavior that acts like an object with negative mass. But, that engineered object (the wavepacket) is behaving like a negative mass. If we assume that everything that we measure in physics is collective (a subsystem of another - there is no such thing as an isolated system), we are not so wrong assigning that 1-D subsystem a negative mass. Let&#x27;s close with this question: How are we so sure that a &quot;positive&quot; mass of an object is not a collective interaction between the object itself and the rest of the universe?
kowdermeister大约 8 年前
I don&#x27;t understand the negativity here (pun intended). There&#x27;s an article and an abstract, both for different audiences. Every tech &#x2F; science article targeted towards layman people will have oversimplifications and here it seems good enough for me.
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nickpsecurity大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m looking at it from a lay scientist perspective with this. They&#x27;re blasting it with lasers, it&#x27;s internally unstable, things are flowing out of it, and evidence of negative mass is that it moved in direction different than expected. There&#x27;s a lot of variables here that might cause that movement that have to be eliminated. Maybe they have but experiments like this leave me uncertain about the outcome.<p>Note: Also, they should look for integer&#x2F;floating-point errors in the measurement code while they&#x27;re at it. ;)
marcosdumay大约 8 年前
Ok, no wormholes this time. But very cool anyway (literally too).
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outworlder大约 8 年前
Yay we got a Mass Effect Drive and... oh, clickbait. Oh come on, this came from an university, we should expect better than that.
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jeffdavis大约 8 年前
If there were really an object of negative mass, would its gravity (antigravity?) attract or repel objects with positive mass?
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dcl大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m guessing it doesn&#x27;t &#x27;fall&#x27; up instead of down?
milesf大约 8 年前
Pics or it didn&#x27;t happen.