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What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

78 点作者 monort大约 8 年前

25 条评论

geebee大约 8 年前
There may be one under-reported angle on this.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;publication&#x2F;264513198_Penalizing_Men_Who_Request_a_Family_Leave_Is_Flexibility_Stigma_a_Femininity_Stigma" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;publication&#x2F;264513198_Penalizin...</a><p>There is clearly a correlation between men having children and men getting higher salaries, and the reverse for women. However, this may reflect the fact that women are more likely to withdraw from work to take care of children (regardless of whether they&#x27;d prefer to), and men may double down on work.<p>Women are more likely to incur a penalty for taking time off due to child care needs, but that is largely because they are more likely to do so in the first place. Men do this much less often. However, there is evidence that the relatively small number of men who do this pay an unusually heavy career penalty for it.<p>This can be a problem for women. If we reduce the stigma for taking time off and provide generous leave, but only for women, but penalize men for doing this, then we actually end up putting even more pressure on women to carry this obligation.
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strictnein大约 8 年前
Follow up posts:<p>What Is the Female Marriage Penalty?<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;econlog.econlib.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2012&#x2F;02&#x2F;what_is_the_fem.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;econlog.econlib.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2012&#x2F;02&#x2F;what_is_the_fem....</a><p>Policy Implications of the Marriage Premium<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;econlog.econlib.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2013&#x2F;03&#x2F;policy_implicat.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;econlog.econlib.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2013&#x2F;03&#x2F;policy_implicat....</a><p>9 Short Observations about the Marriage Premium<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;econlog.econlib.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2013&#x2F;03&#x2F;22_short_argume.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;econlog.econlib.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2013&#x2F;03&#x2F;22_short_argume....</a>
Mz大约 8 年前
They missed the obvious: Married men are more productive because they have a woman at home doing the &quot;women&#x27;s work.&quot; This both raises their quality of life AND frees up both time and energy to put into their job instead of into self-maintenance.<p>I have seen this from both sides of the equation: I was a full time wife and mom for a lot of years. Then, I got divorced. I told my sons I would rather they take over the &quot;women&#x27;s work&quot; so I could put more into my job than for them to get some kind of part time, minimum wage job.<p>This is basically a form of transferring her energy to him and the employer paying for getting the extra energy and mental focus he can now bring to the table. This works reasonably well (societally speaking) in a traditional society where women are primarily homemakers and moms. It works less well in a world where people are getting married later, we are actively discouraging people from having more kids because there are already more than 7 billion people on the planet, etc. We need to find another answer, one that allows for young, single people, childless couples, etc to all have full lives. Otherwise, it is just the married men who get The Good Life and everyone else is shorted.
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drblast大约 8 年前
In my own case, I&#x27;m working and making as much as I do because I&#x27;m married and have kids and my wife is a stay-at-home-mom. This is still a very socially acceptable arrangement.<p>If I weren&#x27;t married with kids, I&#x27;d be a semi-retired snowboard instructor. I am <i>not</i> driven by my career at all. I&#x27;m good at it, and I make good money, but I wouldn&#x27;t otherwise be doing it.
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ianai大约 8 年前
They routinely give the men with children&#x2F;wives the better hours, pay, and whatever else at my work. They just changed several peoples&#x27; schedules so that my peer could have Saturdays off with his kid. Contrast that with myself: I have requested the same shift and been denied. I don&#x27;t have kids. I also have better reasons to be on that shift. In my anecdotal experience, it appears classist. I would file that under &#x27;human capital&#x27;.
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zaroth大约 8 年前
I didn&#x27;t get much past the 3 hypothesis in TFA because I stopped and had to ask, isn&#x27;t it obvious that married men earn more because they have to in order to support their families?<p>It seems to me that the biggest factor in earnings is how hard you work. Nothing quite as motivating as needing to support your family... Married men earn more because they have to.<p>There is definitely a secondary effect I have seen though, it seems like having kids can boost your salary independent of ability&#x2F;productivity due to the boss believing your are justified in asking for more money. Pay is set more based on what your boss thinks you need than what you are worth.
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scarface74大约 8 年前
In the U.S., even with the ACA, it&#x27;s still easier to have health insurance through your job. When I was single and solely responsible for having health insurance, I couldn&#x27;t as easily jump back and forth between contract jobs and permanent jobs. I couldn&#x27;t take advantage of high pay with no benefits like I can now.<p>My wife having good family health insurance has allowed me to be more aggressive about opportunities.<p>I know other people who own a business and their wife works at low paying government jobs with good benefits.
tyingq大约 8 年前
Would have been interesting to see a breakdown by dual-income vs single-income, unmarried with&#x2F;without dependants, etc.<p>If you get married, and find yourself supporting a spouse, and potentially, children, you have new motivation to make more money.
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rlpb大约 8 年前
Have they controlled for age? Or is that included in their claim of having controlled for experience?<p>Older men are more likely to be married (since finding a partner takes a variable amount of time, and the marriage rate is higher than the divorce rate). And salaries also tend to go up over time as employees build their careers.<p>This would of course be part of the author&#x27;s &quot;Explanation #1: Ability bias.&quot;. I&#x27;m just surprised that this sub-explanation isn&#x27;t explicitly called out.
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mettamage大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m noticing that the right type of girl stimulates me to be a better me. It also stabilizes my sleeping rhythm.<p>-- not married by the way, just my observations with GFs
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trevyn大约 8 年前
Until a couple weeks ago, I worked at a large Bay Area tech company with very generous parental leave. I noticed that a lot of people there were having kids.<p>I think it makes sense from a conpany perspective, because having kids (and a marriage) seems to make people much more risk-averse, so they&#x27;re more likely to stay at the nice, stable company.<p>Which is helpful for the company when attrition is one of your big problems.
Agathe大约 8 年前
Suggested reading related to the topic: Smart &amp; Sexy by R. Kaynes (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Smart-Sexy-Evolutionary-Underpinnings-Differences&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1910524743" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Smart-Sexy-Evolutionary-Underpinnings...</a>)<p>I wonder how he would comment this study...<p>- higher IQ men are more likely to get married (because a higher IQ gives them an advantage hence they are more desirable to women), and higher IQ men earn more<p>- married men have more pressure to dedicate their time and effort to provide for their family, hence they end up earning more<p>- married men have more pressure and make different career choices to better provide for their family<p>- this is a small leftover from a past, more conservative, more family oriented society (before women entered the workforce) which valued married men more (because more useful to society)
tryitnow大约 8 年前
I don&#x27;t really see a full fledged regression analysis here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;econlog.econlib.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2012&#x2F;01&#x2F;the_college_pre.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;econlog.econlib.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2012&#x2F;01&#x2F;the_college_pre....</a><p>There are several potentially correlated variables (College grad and cognitive ability?). That&#x27;s not necessarily a problem but I think it would necessitate showing different models, not just one.<p>It&#x27;s also atheoretical - it&#x27;s not advisable just to slap a model together and find regression coefficients with high t-stats. In economics, it&#x27;s important to start with a believable hypothesis grounded in reasonable theory.<p>This study is like a half-hearted attempt at exploratory data analysis - half-hearted because only the results of one model are shown and there are no charts or graphs to give a feel for the data.<p>You really can&#x27;t just jump to a conversation about causes unless you&#x27;ve done more work on the data (maybe Caplan did, but he really needs to show it to stimulate the conversation he wants to have).
mason240大约 8 年前
I think it&#x27;s mostly of the first. Having an income makes dating easier, having a higher one makes it even more so.<p>One way to test that might be to follow a group of unmarried men who are all the same age, and then 10 years later and compare the still unmarried with the long-time married (5+ years).
acchow大约 8 年前
Enjoyed the analysis.<p>I wonder if our educational system will ever reach the point where the layperson doesn&#x27;t immediately think &quot;I should get married to increase my income&quot;.<p>Tho many people seem to believe that moving to the Bay Area will increase their earnings... post hoc ergo propter hoc.
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Spooky23大约 8 年前
How much is the unmarried disparity correlated with divorce?<p>For people paying a % of income in child support&#x2F;alimony, the incentive to make more money is often missing or inverted.
jbmorgado大约 8 年前
It would be interesting to see the number of working hours for married men vs unmarried men. And I guess that data should actually be relatively simple to get.<p>That could explain some unanswered questions in this article. I.E. If a married men is working more time than an unmarried one, that would be a good indication that a married men felt more pressured to work more after getting married and that was where this premium was mostly coming from.
ouid大约 8 年前
There is absolutely no reason to believe that restricting your data to shotgun weddings would control for the things that they claimed to be controlling for.
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squozzer大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m not buying the article&#x27;s premise, i.e. that pay is determined by productivity or its fascimile. As a counter-hypothesis, I offer the following:<p>Men are selected &#x2F; promoted &#x2F; rewarded based on reliability, women on desirability.<p>By reliability, I don&#x27;t mean something mechanical such as defects per million, but closer in meaning to political reliability -- the tendency to adhere to norms and expectations.<p>By desirability, I don&#x27;t mean attractiveness, though that might form the largest component, but also availability (would she like me if our situation were a little different?)
bmh_ca大约 8 年前
I&#x27;ve always wondered what, if any, is the multi-generational benefit&#x2F;penalty of mothers working full time in lieu of raising their own children.
thecity2大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m 41 and am hoping to be engaged very soon (god and my gf willing!). I sure as hell don&#x27;t expect to earn a raise. lol
lemonsqueeze大约 8 年前
Isn&#x27;t obvious?<p>Higher value men are more likely to get married (He&#x27;s a &quot;good catch&quot;)
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anqh4大约 8 年前
1. Women seek men with high income,<p>2. Having a housewife leaves the man with more free time to work.<p>See, no need to make a study.
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cm2187大约 8 年前
Let&#x27;s read this through the current hysterical liberal lens: unmarried men are unacceptably discriminated! Companies must publish statistics on how they pay married vs unmarried male employees. And they need to train their staff to understand and fight their own bias against unmarried men! The reason for this imbalance can only be outrageous discrimination. Anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise should be silenced.
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boshfpngr大约 8 年前
This is pure causation. Men with more income and stability in their lives are more capable of attracting women, therefore more likely to be married. How could they miss such an obvious answer?
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