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Hallmarks of Soviet postwar building boom are finally meeting their demise

53 点作者 iamjeff大约 8 年前

14 条评论

int_19h大约 8 年前
The real problem with this is the manner in which compensation is handled. Rather than doing &quot;equal-value&quot; exchange for new property for people who are affected, they&#x27;re doing &quot;equivalent&quot; exchange. The former means that replacement has the same market value. The latter means that replacement has the same area and the same number of rooms - but it can be in a much nastier location, worse commute etc.<p>On top of that, they&#x27;ve passed some new laws specifically to accelerate this process, that skip some usual review stages before demolition, and curtail the ability of affected citizens to contest either the decision itself, or the amount of their compensation, in courts.<p>Simply put, as implemented, it&#x27;s a blatant money grab. Many of these buildings are in areas where real estate is very expensive now, and their residents in many cases couldn&#x27;t afford it if they were buying new; they own apartments there because they were living in them back in USSR, and could privatize them afterwards. Now these residents get kicked out, &quot;compensated&quot; with much cheaper apartments further away from downtown (and their jobs), while new expensive real estate development can be done in that place, and sold for full market price.
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wdrw大约 8 年前
What the article doesn&#x27;t mention is that Muscovites are right to be concerned about &quot;replacement&quot; apartments offered by the government. There have been plenty of cases across Russia where &quot;replacement&quot; apartments were sub-standard, unlivable, or in some extreme cases existed only on paper. (In a variety of circumstances, e.g. after homes were destroyed in the wildfires in Khakassia). This is of course the consequence of corruption (which unfortunately hits hardest on the poor, the elderly, the working class, etc).<p>Another interesting point that the article doesn&#x27;t bring up is that &quot;khruschevka&quot; apartments are not just limited to ex-Soviet countries - you can find them in other ex-Soviet allies, most unexpectedly in Cuba!
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patrickg_zill大约 8 年前
The buildings are so similar (the walls and floors etc. were produced in a factory and then shipped to the building site) that they serve as a plot point in the movie &quot;Irony of Fate&quot; - unknowingly landing in St. Petersburg, a Muscovite directs the cabbie to take him to his street address - the identically named street in St. P has an identical looking khruschevka - and the key to his apartment in Moscow, works in that same numbered apartment in St. Petersburg!
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jacquesm大约 8 年前
&quot;These are <i>my</i> 32 square meters!&quot;<p>If you&#x27;re from Russia you probably get the reference, for everybody else:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Irony_of_Fate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Irony_of_Fate</a>
douche大约 8 年前
I was expecting fugly brutalist buildings like I have seen in East Berlin. In fact, these buildings look nicer than many apartment buildings I have lived in in the northeast US.
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galfarragem大约 8 年前
Soviet buildings and urban identity are not that bad.<p>I say this after having lived there, in several other places and by being an architect. e.g. Is Australian &#x2F; US low income housing better than Soviet?<p><i>So as somebody who lives in London, explain to me why Los Angeles always looks so featureless, so lacking in any kind of urban identity I&#x27;d expect to find in a city? It always looks to me no so much as a city, but rather merely some buildings that are connected by freeways.</i> [1] [2]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14112031" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14112031</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.walkinginla.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.walkinginla.com&#x2F;</a>
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ethbro大约 8 年前
Curious question from someone with no idea to the answer: what&#x27;s modern Russia&#x27;s attitude towards its own history?<p>I ask because the Chinese in recent decades seem to have decided that letting Westerners steal their cultural treasures was undesirable, but there doesn&#x27;t seem to be huge government support for preservation either (yet?). This based on what I saw at the Great Wall.
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lucaspiller大约 8 年前
Here in Lithuania there have been quite a few projects started to renovate these apartments. Here is a presentation (in English) from a couple of years ago, at the time the works cost €166&#x2F;sqm. From the outside the renovated apartments look as good as any new apartments.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lsta.lt&#x2F;files&#x2F;seminarai&#x2F;070914_EFIEES&#x2F;9_Nenius_presentation2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lsta.lt&#x2F;files&#x2F;seminarai&#x2F;070914_EFIEES&#x2F;9_Nenius_pr...</a><p>There is a lot of new development going on here as well, but when it costs €80k+ for a 40sqm studio it&#x27;s unaffordable for most people (minimum wage is €380&#x2F;mo). New developments usually have underground parking which is a plus, but developers are often selling the spaces at over €10k. It&#x27;s a good time to be a developer here :D
tbihl大约 8 年前
The different reactions from soon to be ex-residents are worth noting. It&#x27;s certainly a problem we have in the US. It seems a sure thing that the apartments are quite dingy and faulty plumbing would be frustrating. I can&#x27;t imagine myself living in one now. But five years ago? Absolutely.<p>Wide ranges of age in apartment stock allow for more than one group to live in the same place. For the elderly or the young who have no accumulated wealth, crappy buildings like this can be wonderful. Not every apartment needs to be something a doctor or lawyer would be happy to live in. Plus, if you can get those different demographics living close to one another, you get the huge benefits of varied patterns of life, where people are around during the day and not all trying to use infrastructure and retail only during peak times.
democracy大约 8 年前
Not really, in the movie it is not one of these buildings, there was an elevator and a large entrance hall - krushovkas don&#x27;t have them.
markvdb大约 8 年前
I&#x27;ve lived in one for a few months. Most of them are really nice and incredibly well designed actually.<p>The fact that this is happening mostly in Moscow hints at what others have suggested this is: a new development money grab for land that has become expensive...
dsfyu404ed大约 8 年前
Function has it&#x27;s own beauty, why can&#x27;t anyone take pride in that.<p>(I&#x27;m typing this from a &quot;temporary&quot; building that was supposed to be demolished &quot;in the next few years&quot; since the 1960s)
eps大约 8 年前
Flagged as inaccessible.
yummybits大约 8 年前
Another propaganda piece by Jeff Bezos and Co. and the military industrial complex of the US empire.