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Some 4.5M Japanese aged between 35 and 54 are living with their parents

123 点作者 e15ctr0n大约 8 年前

14 条评论

ithinkinstereo大约 8 年前
Japan is a preview of what&#x27;s coming to many developed western economies.<p>I found this paragraph from the article disturbingly similar to the situation here in the states:<p>&quot;The rise in those shunning marriage, experts say, is due not only to more diverse life-styles but to an increase in low-paying, unstable jobs. Part-timers, temps or contract workers now account for nearly 40 percent of the workforce compared to about 20 percent in the 1980s.&quot;<p>I imagine this will only be accelerated with the rise of AI and increasing job automation. Already, we&#x27;re seeing the average age when people get married and have kids rise with each generation. I think alot of this is due to job instability, depressed wages, rise of the 1099 worker with no benefits, etc. Reminds me of the situation in China, where unless you have a house and a car, you&#x27;re basically persona-non-grata.<p>So if you&#x27;re a young person in the US, you&#x27;re doubly screwed. All your friends and potential dating partners are concentrated in the big cities, but those are also the places with the highest costs of living, highest costs to own a home, to raise a kid, etc.<p>If you&#x27;re mid 20s &#x2F; early 30s person in San Fran and you&#x27;re not working for GOOG&#x2F;FB&#x2F;APPL etc. you&#x27;re basically screwed.
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sandworm101大约 8 年前
I don&#x27;t see the &quot;illusions&quot;. It isn&#x27;t as if these people are daily choosing their life. There aren&#x27;t huge numbers of well-paid jobs out there for them or anyone else. Just because someone isn&#x27;t successful doesn&#x27;t mean they are under some sort of illusion. The word &quot;parasite&quot; also implies that these people should somehow stop living, that they are such a drain that the parasite should just let got and die rather than continue the only life available to them.<p>They may have made some mistakes, but in previous generations a few mistakes now and again was not a life sentence. A few years off the books wasn&#x27;t a big deal in the 80s or 90s. Now any gap in your linkedin profile is interrogated. In Japan and elsewhere, anyone with a blot on their employment record is doomed. And heaven help those with any criminal convictions. Our societies today deliberately push away so many people. It is improper of us to then say that it is entirely their fault or that they suffer illusions. The illusion is ours, that by shunning and dispossessing people for slight imperfections we only amplify them.<p>Once upon a time there was a net of reasonable jobs that didn&#x27;t pay well but allowed people a life, low-level government jobs that took anyone willing to work hard. But has anyone here looked at how hard it is to become a postal worker or to join the army? Ability and willingness is no longer enough. (I have relatives in the Canadian Armed Forces. The application process takes at least one and sometimes many years.)
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linkregister大约 8 年前
The second example was not a &quot;parasite single,&quot; he was someone who tragically got Parkinson&#x27;s disease after already having a career. The fact that the journalist couldn&#x27;t find two legitimate anecdotes makes me question whether this is an actual trend in Japan.
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6stringmerc大约 8 年前
I think it&#x27;s hard for some non-US Citizens to understand how rather backwards and unwelcome the thought is for Grown Children as Adults to be living at home with their Parents. The cultural fabric of the US mentality is to grow up and achieve &quot;Independence&quot; as a general concept. That usually means living away from family, and having the means to do so.<p>Culturally, living with one&#x27;s Parents in the United States, as a grown Adult, with or without a Spouse, is going to be predominately portrayed as a negative lifestyle indicator. As in, the Individual doesn&#x27;t have the choice of Independence, at least not the basic financial &#x2F; living arrangements type.<p>The &quot;Sandwich Generation&quot; label scares the ever loving spirit of freedom out of most US people who might find themselves caught between providing for both Kids AND Parents.<p>Assimilation into values such as this US type of Independence are, understandably, quite foreign to several other Large Cultures elsewhere in the World. However, on this turf, it is the prevailing attitude. No amount of &quot;Well in other countries it&#x27;s perfectly normal&quot; will turn the tide regarding this component of the US life experience, and, at least here, it&#x27;s an indicator of a need to further assimilate or, unfortunately, deal with cultural push back.<p>To be fair to the US, this happens when US people try to ascribe their values to other cultures as well. I get it. Two way street.
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mooreds大约 8 年前
Not a very informative article, unfortunately. No discussion of what caused the issue, what is being done to help these folks, or if anything can be done. A few of these folks are profiled, but one of them was diagnosed with a disease in his 40s and would have issues whether or not he lived with his parents.<p>The bigger issue is the tremendous waste of human capital at a time when Japan needs employees more and more. (Of course, it is the right of these individuals to live their lives as they see fit, but society would benefit if they were more productive.)<p>Maybe the employers need to change? Maybe the social net needs to be modified to encourage work? Not sure how to change incentives, but it certainly seems a large subset of that generation isn&#x27;t headed anywhere good.
Gustomaximus大约 8 年前
I wonder if the west will see a similar effect from the outta control property prices. Historically when people retire they have their house paid off and they can live on a low budget for the retirement years. This is likely not going to be the case for a large number of people in ~35 off years.
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olivermarks大约 8 年前
Perhaps some of these people chose to live in a close family unit with their relatives through choice. This is how millions of people live in other cultures worldwide, caring for each other. No shame in that at all. This article appears to be pro rat race or be shamed...
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finid大约 8 年前
In many societies, living with your parents is nothing unusual, especially if they own their own home.
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nihonde大约 8 年前
Am I the only person who sees this as good news? There is a lot to learn from old people, and seniors often need the help at home.
mc32大约 8 年前
Recently I heard senator Warren speak of what she essentially described as the selling out of the middle class starting with Reagan and with the tacit support of democrats.<p>When you see the effects of the maturation of an economy plus globalization, it&#x27;s apparent it&#x27;s not as simple as saying that beginning in the &#x27;80s the establishment sold out the middle class in favor of the elite. There is more at play. Japan has been suffering from the same issues, but somewhat differently due to some structural rigidity.<p>Japan is, as they say, complicated. Work culture (at the extreme death from over work, but commonly getting home very late due to social obligations at work), gender roles (still difficult for women to achieve success on par with men), cost of living, hiring practices (must be hired before graduation) hyperactive brand awareness (the new cool thing minted by thirteen year olds must be had by virtually 50% of the pop) and to some degree idealization of a bohemian way of life and repudiation of their previous generations&#x27; attitudes toward work. All these things come together and result in a ~30year intractable malaise.<p>If they could just get themselves to address the biggest issue, make it easier for women to work and succeed (opportunities, responsibilities, salaries, time off for family and bigly social expectations) they just might have a chance at improving things, but I&#x27;m not holding my breath.
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hyperion2010大约 8 年前
I interpreted this as an allusion to this song [0]. They are seeing life from the other side now.<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=A7Xm30heHms" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=A7Xm30heHms</a>
Markoff大约 8 年前
I missed in the article what is the percentage in other countries making Japan special with 20%.<p>Btw. is there something wrong with it, if parents and the men are fine with that, what&#x27;s the problem here? At least parents will have someone to take care of them, my wife&#x27;s uncle is in similar position and I don&#x27;t see it as anything bad, at least other children with better jobs no need to take care of them. Or the preffered option is to dump own parents to retirement home and stay in your own apartment, if someone has no problem with the other option?
mm4大约 8 年前
premiss is way off. it&#x27;s not because they&#x27;re single, but because they did not work they are in trouble... this article feels like social engineering - well juppies marry marry marry
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adrianlmm大约 8 年前
Nobody likes killjoys, and I see so much denial in these comments, yes, you will get old and the desitions you make today matter for your future even if you choose to ignore that fact and &quot;live for the moment&quot;.