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Tech companies should create ‘farm teams’ to close the talent deficit

62 点作者 jchin大约 8 年前

15 条评论

20years大约 8 年前
&quot;what is a company to do today if it finds itself part of the 71 percent of employers that claim they can&#x27;t find suitable technology candidates?&quot;<p>Increase the salary of what you are paying in order to attract more qualified devs.<p>&quot;they&#x27;re reinvesting the money saved from hiring less-expensive engineers to create &quot;farm teams&quot; within their organizations&quot;<p>Aha! It is not about being able to &quot;find suitable technology candidates&quot; it is about being able to acquire &quot;less-expensive engineers&quot;<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong. I like the idea of companies investing in apprenticeship programs but let&#x27;s call it what it is. Not a talent shortage but a willing to pay top dollar shortage.
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wai1234大约 8 年前
Hmmm. So, they&#x27;re saying they should hire people with basic training in the necessary skills but who did not hatch out of the egg already knowing everything they will ever need to know. They then imagine they might need to invest time and energy into something I will refer to as &#x27;training&#x27; that will help those people reach full productivity over time. And, they will risk that some of them might not work out perfectly.<p>This is truly shocking and innovative. Maybe they could come up with something so we can move heavy loads without using rollers and a way to prepare food so we don&#x27;t have to eat it raw. &#x2F;snark<p>If you needed evidence that SV occupies a hermetically sealed mental bubble, there&#x27;s your sign.
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MS_Buys_Upvotes大约 8 年前
I love tech: Take something old (apprenticeships), re-package it as something new (a farm team) and bam: Instant, free, PR for zero innovation.
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dasmoth大约 8 年前
I kind-of wonder if a key point here is:<p><i>Grooming newly trained engineers to be comfortable with a proprietary tech stack, a particular delivery cadence and a company’s cultural values results in a shorter and more seamless onboarding process and quicker contributions to the team.</i><p>I.e. &quot;We want interchangeable developers to slot into our process, rather than people who arrive with established ideas and -- probably -- a desire for some degree of autonomy.
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pleasecalllater大约 8 年前
That just made me a day. My searching for a job is generally like this: I send a CV, then there is a short call (or email) with this one question at the end: &quot;How much do you want?&quot;. Then I usually don&#x27;t want to reply, but I got convinced with &quot;I cannot go with you further without this information&quot;.<p>So I give them some number, usually something like I&#x27;m getting at that moment.<p>Then I get no reply or &quot;we cannot pay you that much&quot;.<p>The last time I got that from a huge international company, where I really wanted to work. That company has been publishing the same job offers for the last year. I wrote something that I expected maybe some proposal from there side, etc. The answer was really funny &quot;we are not negotiating salaries at this moment of the process&quot;.<p>And all that was even before any technical interview.<p>And that company is still publishing the same job offers :)<p>So I&#x27;m really confused. I have over 15 years of experience in many different areas, and still the recruitment process is so broken that only sometimes I can get to the technical interview.
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Ductapemaster大约 8 年前
While this article is mostly fluff, I question the comparison to a &quot;farm team&quot;. Few players from farm teams ever make it to the big leagues. Assuming the comparison is similar in this case, what happens to the tech workers who have just invested a year of their lives learning some proprietary stack and incorporating themselves into a company&#x27;s culture and get let go because they didn&#x27;t make the cut? That won&#x27;t look great on a resume. Also, what metrics will they use? Will people move into permanent positions based on performance reviews? Hopefully they don&#x27;t apply the same old-hat ideas to these groups and try to rethink how they grow their teams from the ground up.<p>Also, I&#x27;m not really sure how this differs from hiring interns to test them out before going full time? It just feels like the same thing with a snazzy name.
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startupdiscuss大约 8 年前
Or maybe set up an office with a fat pipe in Detroit where you can buy a house for $5k, rather than forcing them in to San Fran. Every large city could have a small office.
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4258HzG大约 8 年前
How is this different from having &#x27;entry level positions&#x27; (ones that don&#x27;t require 5 yrs of experience)?
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bjornlouser大约 8 年前
Every person in that photo is frowning. It looks as if they just found out the micromanagement doesn&#x27;t end after bootcamp.
geebee大约 8 年前
&quot;There are more than half a million open computing jobs in America today&quot;<p>What does this even mean? Doesn&#x27;t basic economics tell us about supply and demand. At a low salary, demand for developers will be high, and supply will be low. At a high salary, demand will be lower, and supply will be higher.<p>What does this &quot;half a million openings&quot; say other than that the supply and demand curves are out of whack because employers aren&#x27;t paying enough?<p>There&#x27;s another little problem here - being a software developer, even one of those &quot;CRUD&quot; developers, is actually very difficult. Just try getting a basic web app with a database back end and a new fangled javascript framework running. Now get specs from a client. Host it on a server. Keep the server up and running. Fix bugs. Make estimates. Deal with business requirements that don&#x27;t fit easily into the technical framework. Negotiate, explain, do demos. Upgrade as your javascript framework goes out of date every 6 months. Realize that the upgrade requires massive refactoring. Add developers and bring them up to speed, use git properly. Do code reviews, explain difficult sections to a group at the whiteboard. Articulate complex logic and how it relates to business requirements. Track down and fix obscure server log errors. Migrate data. Migrate it back when the new data structure doesn&#x27;t work...<p>This takes substantial reading comprehension, presentation skills, business acumen, writing, negotiating. People who can do this well and are free to choose their procession without fear of deportation really do have a lot of options. They don&#x27;t have to be software developers.<p>Now, ask them to work in a big open office with limited autonomy and middling salaries (really - out here in SF, the median salary for an application developer is a little more than for a dental hygienist, and less than a registered nurse[1]). Don&#x27;t be surprised if people with choice choose other fields. It really isn&#x27;t a head scratcher.<p>All in all? Being a dev is an OK job, it can be a rational choice to become a developer, but I don&#x27;t see anything close to the kind of gap that would have me scratching my head about a &quot;shortage&quot; of developers or worrying about &quot;a half a million unfilled jobs.&quot; Honestly, every observation I have suggests that people with the ability to become devs may be rationally choosing to do other things, as you&#x27;d expect in a free labor market (note - many of the people who work as devs in the bay area are not free members of the labor market, they are required to work as devs as a condition of living in the US - this may be partly why the market hasn&#x27;t adjusted).<p>[1] I&#x27;ve learned that I should always add this bit - I have no objection to nurses being paid well, more than devs. And I&#x27;m aware the salaries are higher for nurses in the Bay Area, devs often earn more in other regions - however, the Bay Area is ground zero for this supposed &quot;shortage&quot;, so I think it&#x27;s reasonable to consider regional salaries here.
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socialist_coder大约 8 年前
Calling this is a &quot;farm team&quot; is completely bullshit. It&#x27;s an apprenticeship on an existing team.<p>If it was truly a &quot;farm team&quot;, it would be a completely separate group working on a different product. Now, <i>that</i> would actually be something interesting to try. Throw together 2 senior level developers as &quot;coaches&quot; and 20 new grads all on a team working on stuff that the other dev teams don&#x27;t have time for. They could be fixing bugs in products owned by another team, or working on their own completely separate projects.<p>I&#x27;d love to see a big company try something like that!
hinkley大约 8 年前
Do we really have a skill gap, or a skill glut?<p>What I see is a lot of companies building essentially the same systems. I suspect this is because they can almost find enough people willing to work on it. Or maybe they feel like they can&#x27;t find tools that do what they need.<p>About half of my jobs have had huge chunks of the work that felt like the same problem space.
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DTrejo大约 8 年前
I can imagine they&#x27;re also investigating this because they&#x27;re bad at hiring hidden&#x2F;under-valued people for normal positions.<p>Maybe they&#x27;re also discovering they get the best signal from actually working together on real projects.
wheelerwj大约 8 年前
lol. They do, &quot;college league&quot; and &quot;acquisitions league.&quot;
spcelzrd大约 8 年前
Or... recruit and hire minorities. Measure the the results.
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