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Canada is North America’s up-and-coming startup center

171 点作者 miraj大约 8 年前

29 条评论

hughes大约 8 年前
This article doesn&#x27;t mention one of the major reasons for talent <i>leaving</i> Canada: if you work there, you need to stomach a 50% pay cut in average salaries vs the US. This is true pretty much across the board regardless of tech niche on the 2017 Stack Overflow Developer Survey[1]:<p>Machine learning specialist: US 108k, Canada 53k (49%)<p>Embedded applications&#x2F;devices developer: US 100k, Canada 53k (53%)<p>Systems administrator: US 90k, Canda 49k (55%)<p>Doubling your salary by moving south across the border is a <i>very</i> tempting option, especially considering that NAFTA makes it extremely easy to do so. No need to wait for an H1-B, just show up at the border with job offer &amp; credentials in hand, assuming you&#x27;ve graduated college. TN visas are instant and infinitely renewable.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stackoverflow.com&#x2F;insights&#x2F;survey&#x2F;2017#work-salaries-by-geography" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stackoverflow.com&#x2F;insights&#x2F;survey&#x2F;2017#work-salaries...</a>
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guyzero大约 8 年前
It makes me feel proud that Canada has been North America’s up-and-coming startup center since I graduated from Waterloo over 20 years ago. That&#x27;s a solid, consistent track record of almost being there.
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nickler大约 8 年前
The startup scene here in Vancouver is scrappy but really shouldn&#x27;t be compared to SV in any way, it&#x27;s just not a fair comparison.<p>We are, however, woefully under-represented with experienced seed stage investors, as the author states. The few that are here have abandoned seed and pre seed and are exclusively VC, mid to late round investors. Can&#x27;t blame them, either, as the wins are still few and far between.<p>Vancity seems to excel at bridging H1B visas for large firms hoping to cycle them into the US once they&#x27;ve cleared. Candidates get here easier and quicker.<p>We&#x27;re also a cost effective labour farm, and our devs are happy for the work to help pay for their ridiculous mortgages.<p>Great city to live in, worst city to fundraise, good place to launch and validate, and really nice for avoiding the noise.<p>We&#x27;ll see a unicorn or two in the coming years. They&#x27;ll just go a much different path than the typical SV startup.
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rdtsc大约 8 年前
Rule of &quot;Silicone Valleys&quot; and &quot;Startup Centers&quot;: if it is announced in a press release that a place is becoming one of those things, chances are they won&#x27;t.<p>A lot of these press releases come from top down incentives, tax cuts, special programs and such that. The problem is they fail to capture all the reasons and causes a startup center is a startup center.<p>One thing might help is to start war for example and have the Canadian defense ministry invest heavily in war technologies and hand out cash to develop radars :-) or other such non-obvious things.
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ilugaslifg大约 8 年前
Vancouver: where senior developers would be genuinely lucky to top out at $90k, a single bedroom on a transit line is $800k, a teardown in a distant suburb is $1.5M, and bottom shelf cheese costs $40&#x2F;lb.<p>I don&#x27;t think a startup scene in a city is ever going to really blow up when sticking around in that city is giving up the possibility of building any kind of future for yourself.<p>Everybody I know who&#x27;s worth half a damn moved to Seattle.<p>----<p>Toronto: maybe.<p>Montreal: sure.<p>The prairies: &quot;Is Fargo the next up-and-coming startup center?&quot;
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huangc10大约 8 年前
I just want to give my POV on all of this as I have lived in both Vancouver, Toronto, and now in Mountain View.<p>Everything pointed out in the comments about low pay, and high cost of living in Vancouver is true. However, let&#x27;s look of it from another angle. If you were a young college grad with options, wouldn&#x27;t you want to go to sunny California? Not only is it an adventure, there&#x27;s better night life, better sports teams, the glory of the valley, and on top of that, higher pay. It&#x27;s really a no brainer for some.<p>Toronto is definitely a better environment and I can see it blossoming more and more. I know a couple of Founders there and they love it. I would go there myself in the future, except for family ties in the west coast.<p>Just my 2 cents.
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startupdiscuss大约 8 年前
What bothers me about these articles is that they lay out all these reasons for why a place will be great, or is a great place to start a company, but then why -- in spite of these assets -- does that place not produce like Silicon Valley?<p>I am not saying Toronto is not a great city to live and work and start a business.<p>But if it has all these things going for it, why isn&#x27;t it producing startup value per capita like SV? Doesn&#x27;t this show that these things are not enough for a startup scene? Or, to put it another way, having startups is not essential for a great city.
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canistr大约 8 年前
As far as Toronto is concerned, nobody grows to the size of a multi-national juggernaut. Everyone takes the buyout&#x2F;merger&#x2F;acquisition way before that ever happens. It&#x27;s often been said, what major multi-national corporation has their headquarters here? Reuters is the only one and they are technically headquartered in New York now.<p>The companies that get that far will typically come out of other places where they aren&#x27;t stifled by the conservative VCs&#x2F;angels eager for an exit like they are in Toronto.
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Nanite大约 8 年前
Mind you this is by the same author who wrote : &quot;The Netherlands: A Look At The World’s High-Tech Startup Capital&quot; and half a dozen similar pieces. Often cringeworthy PR fluff written in tourist brochure style.
jtraffic大约 8 年前
I saw a poster in my business school building (in the midwest) about &quot;Silicon Plains.&quot; Honestly, it&#x27;d be so cool if there really were more tech hubs, but the degree of wishful thinking can be almost painful.<p>I&#x27;m <i>not</i> suggesting by this that Vancouver isn&#x27;t an up-and-coming startup center. Just commenting on the extreme desire I see all around to be like SV.
aanm1988大约 8 年前
This article reads like someone who doesn&#x27;t give 2 shits about Canada decided to crack open wikipedia.<p>&gt; but many countries of similar stature — G7 nations, for example — dismiss the Great White North as nothing more than America’s top hat<p>Canada is one of the G7 nations. Or did you mean the other 6 don&#x27;t care about Canada?<p>Can you please just not bother writing about my country anymore.
flavoie大约 8 年前
&quot; Similarly, sub-zero temperatures scare people to warmer areas, leading to a brain drain and serious demand for startup-orientated marketers.&quot;<p>Living in one of the cities, sub-zero might have an impact but I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s the brain drain main reason. For aspiring founder, I think it&#x27;s more related to insufficient founding. For engineers, I think the very low salaries is more to blame. Even if cost of living is a bit lower, the difference makes no sense at all.
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gricardo99大约 8 年前
I&#x27;m surprised to see how little funding&#x2F;support there is specifically from Alberta[1], given the oil&#x2F;gas wealth and the general awareness (going back decades) that they need to diversify their economy.<p>1 - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mentorworks.ca&#x2F;what-we-offer&#x2F;government-funding&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mentorworks.ca&#x2F;what-we-offer&#x2F;government-funding&#x2F;</a>
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Deinumite大约 8 年前
This article looks like a fluff piece that is pretty thin on actual research.<p>They talk about how great MaRS is and how much revenue it has generated... but in reality MaRS has been an issue and has had hundreds of millions in bailout money.
moojah大约 8 年前
This sounds like the typical Silicon-everywhere story. Any big developed country now has a &quot;start up scene&quot;, and rightly so. Otherwise they wouldn&#x27;t be developed. Relatively speaking, all of them are up and coming, as they&#x27;re all catching up with the original silicon valley.<p>The only notable and interesting stories are when the articles compare absolute investment amounts, tech GDP growth, IPOs, open tech jobs or other real measurable comparisons. This seems to be lacking any of these deeper comparison to actually non-trivially show how this area is really the &quot;up-and-coming startup center&quot; of North America.
ronilan大约 8 年前
Favorite quote:<p><i>Vancouver is found in British Columbia (BC), amongst the Rocky Mountains on Canada’s west coast.</i><p>Yah. Excellent.
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bobosha大约 8 年前
I speak as a founder of an AI company in Vancouver Canada and ran it there for ~1 year - we relocated to US for fundraising and that&#x27;s another story - but here is my sense for salaries:<p>* AI&#x2F;ML Scientists (UBC, SFU) , Typically MS&#x2F;PhD: C$85K-125K<p>* Web developers: ranges from 60K (mediocre) to 110K (very good), the exceptional are nearly impossible to find.<p>* Database&#x2F;Backend : C$80K-100K for the good to very good talent.<p>I would expect Toronto to have similar salary ranges, Waterloo and Montreal might be a bit lower.
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sheepmullet大约 8 年前
SV used to be a cheap place to live and this helped the startup scene grow into what it is today. Now it&#x27;s (more or less) self sustaining.<p>It enabled a lot of risk taking.<p>I don&#x27;t think you could call any major Canadian city cheap.<p>So how does it build up an ecosystem? Maybe if all the VCs etc get chased out of the US?
microcolonel大约 8 年前
Seems like Conrad is doing the equivalent of one of those <i>$YOUR_CITY voted best place to live 2017</i> articles, but instead for entire countries, and specifically for startups.<p>Not saying he&#x27;s necessarily wrong about any of this though, I wouldn&#x27;t know.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;contributor&#x2F;conrad-egusa&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;contributor&#x2F;conrad-egusa&#x2F;</a>
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jostmey大约 8 年前
So basically because the cost of living in San Francisco is scary, everyone is looking for the next start-up center and assuming it will be somewhere outside the United States. But there are many other cheap places to live in the US, much cheaper than Canada. I guess the current political climate in the US could be a driving factor.
johncop大约 8 年前
There is no huge difference in tech jobs salaries between US and Canada. You can easliy spot it on the salary map: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobsquery.it&#x2F;map;bounds=%7B%22south%22%3A46.234321302666864%2C%22west%22%3A-129.74610045552254%2C%22north%22%3A56.09145008422483%2C%22east%22%3A-107.77344420552254%7D" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobsquery.it&#x2F;map;bounds=%7B%22south%22%3A46.23432130...</a><p>But there is a significant difference in the number of job offers:<p>USA: ~5000 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobsquery.it&#x2F;jobs;page=1;tags=;sortBy=PUBLISHED_AT_DESC;query=;location=USA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobsquery.it&#x2F;jobs;page=1;tags=;sortBy=PUBLISHED_AT_D...</a><p>VS<p>CANADA: ~100 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobsquery.it&#x2F;jobs;page=1;tags=;sortBy=PUBLISHED_AT_DESC;query=;location=Canada" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobsquery.it&#x2F;jobs;page=1;tags=;sortBy=PUBLISHED_AT_D...</a>
jensv大约 8 年前
Canada is a better place to live but due to the low population, culture (less consumerism&#x2F;socialist mentality) you are not going to generate outsized returns from pure capitalism.
ed_balls大约 8 年前
&gt; Many household names, such as Slack, Hootsuite and Shopify — which may be mistakenly considered as U.S. products — hail from north of the border.<p>They are Delaware corporations, aren&#x27;t they?
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cylinder大约 8 年前
This headline is funny. North America is only three countries. One is already its startup center which leaves only Mexico or Canada or both as its up and coming center.
jjtheblunt大约 8 年前
Canada is North America&#x27;s shameful violence against seals for furs center. Oh, and Waterloo is a good school.
AzzieElbab大约 8 年前
feast your eyes <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;jobs&#x2F;view&#x2F;325100669&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;jobs&#x2F;view&#x2F;325100669&#x2F;</a>
Illniyar大约 8 年前
The title is really foolish - so out of the two countries in north america, the first one actually being the startup center canada is aspiring to (according to the title) canada is up and coming.<p>Also, shocking news - I use my left hand the second most often of all my hands.<p>A better, and overused, title would be &quot;Canada is poised to be the next startup center&quot; or something.
chefandy大约 8 年前
Meh. The weather is already too cold for me in the Northern US.
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personjerry大约 8 年前
Is Waterloo or Toronto better for starting a tech startup?
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