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Is it time to break up Google?

93 点作者 Futurebot大约 8 年前

16 条评论

mtempleton大约 8 年前
&gt;We have been transported back to the early 20th century<p>&gt;Brandeis wanted to eliminate monopolies, because (in the words of his biographer Melvin Urofsky) “in a democratic society the existence of large centers of private power is dangerous to the continuing vitality of a free people.”<p>&gt;Brandeis generally opposed regulation — which, he worried, inevitably led to the corruption of the regulator<p>Reading American Economic History has given me the idea that problems of corruption were taken more seriously in the past than they are today -- which this article seems to be alluding to.<p>It seems to be an issue that isn&#x27;t circulating today. I&#x27;ve never heard of someone mention Andrew Jackson with reference to how fiercely he seemed to want to fight against corruption. Lincoln gave the banks the finger and instead, empowered congress to take control of the nation&#x27;s money supply, and won a war in which the banks had been betting against him by doing this. By contrast, it seems today people view big banks as a kind of mandatory evil that we should just shut up about and tolerate.<p>Further, it does appear that most politicians, especially Presidents, must be subservient to the interests of lobbies and power groups in Washington.<p>Perhaps also, today we take it for granted that a lot of good sense was taken in the past to build this country.<p>I have a strong sense that today&#x27;s political climate and social culture is ignoring growing problems of the <i>bigness</i> described in the article--concentrations of power. I have heard a lot of people say <i>everything is corrupt, it doesn&#x27;t matter</i>, which at least in my reading, appears to have not been the case in the past. If that is true, I&#x27;m not sure if America would look the same today if it wasn&#x27;t true.
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mg74大约 8 年前
The author states that &quot;is impossible to deny that Facebook, Google and Amazon have stymied innovation on a broad scale&quot;, and then points to falling profits of music and newspaper industries as the victims of said stymied innovation, the very actors that have fought the innovation of the last 25 years the hardest.
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resoluteteeth大约 8 年前
Despite offhandedly mentioning the hypothetical possibility of breaking up Google, this article doesn&#x27;t actually discuss how this could be done or even whether it would be possible.<p>I think because of how few products Google has that actually make money this would actually be quite difficult in that it would be surprisingly hard to divide up Google into multiple companies that still have sources of revenue, much less were still profitable.<p>Even if rather than actually &quot;breaking up&quot; Google, you simply tried to force some type of debundling like with Microsoft, this would still be difficult. Take the case of Android being bundled with Google services for example. Android itself isn&#x27;t what makes Google money, so preventing them from integrating it with sources of revenue would probably just kill Android.
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Hupriene大约 8 年前
&gt; We need look no further than the conduct of the largest banks in the 2008 financial crisis or the role that Facebook and Google play in the “fake news” business to know that Brandeis was right.<p>I couldn&#x27;t really get any farther into the article than this.<p>How exactly is &quot;fake news&quot; supposed to be a symptom of abuse of monopoly power?<p>Are we supposed to believe that Facebook and Google&#x27;s smaller competitors rigorously curate content to ensure factual accuracy?
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davidgerard大约 8 年前
&gt; The third alternative is to remove the “safe harbor” clause in the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act<p>aha.<p>&gt; Jonathan Trumbull Taplin (born July 18, 1947) is an American writer, film producer and scholar<p>yeah, this is an op-ed for Hollywood versus the Internet. Reducing or removing the DMCA safe harbour is their number one goal this year.
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cidibe大约 8 年前
The threat of anti-trust to Google is good enough, I hope it&#x27;s not acted on. It makes them try to play fairer than they would otherwise eg making customers can export their data. I feel like they&#x27;ve made more of an effort on things like GCP to make customers not locked in than their competition because they are the most in danger of getting busted up.<p>It&#x27;d be too bad though to break up yet another company that does interesting long term projects with a comfortable cash faucet because it is too successful.
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rrggrr大约 8 年前
Self-serving. Google news has brought regional, independent and small journalists to the masses... much to the NYT dismay. Digital media by many, including Google, has brought with it digital journalism, journalistic data science, micro-news and multi-source real time news. It&#x27;s brought readers print, video and interactive information, and machine consumable feeds. I learn more from HN daily than I do most news sources I consume directly.<p>NYT can raise its journalistic and UI game, or it xpcan wither and die. Either way, there will be more alternatives than ever.
protomyth大约 8 年前
Let&#x27;s just say the Mr. Taplin got his way. I cannot imagine any site allowing any user content without a heck of a screening process. I really cannot think of a scenario that would allow discourse on the internet except in private forums or irc channels with no logs.
raldi大约 8 年前
How could anyone possibly consider Google a monopoly? There&#x27;s no lock-in whatsoever. If someone were to build a better search engine, you could switch to it in seconds.<p>That&#x27;s what separates Google from Microsoft in the 90&#x27;s, AT&amp;T in the 70&#x27;s, and the oil and steel barons of yore.
scarface74大约 8 年前
1997 - Apple Computer Company might as well have been called &quot;The Beleagured Computer Maker&quot; and Microsoft had an &quot;unbeatable&quot; monopoly in operating systems and browsers.<p>2017 - Apple is the most valuable company in the world and now known as phone company while Microsoft is still dominant in operating systems for desktops it doesn&#x27;t matter and a company that barely existed in 1997 has the dominant browser and becoming the dominant desktop OS in schools.<p>Facebook is on top now, but so was Friendster and MySpace. Facebook is already seen as the place for &quot;old people&quot;.<p>In other words. In technology, no one stays on top for long no need for the government.
jtlienwis大约 8 年前
Lets see. Intel has had an 80% market share since the days of the 8086. Yet here we are 30 years later and the cost for a transistor on the latest Intel chip are THOUSANDS of times cheaper than then. Tech has a pretty slippery slope for competitors that are not paranoid as Andy Grove used to say. Look at what happened to Yahoo, the Google of its day.
Oletros大约 8 年前
Without Safe Harbour, what sites will survive?
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jtlienwis大约 8 年前
I think Intel had an 80% market share for all its days. Yet here we are 30 years past the 8086 days and transistors on the latest Intel chip are how many thousands of times cheaper than they were then? One big competitor in tech has to remain paranoid as Andy Grove said to stay alive. Look at what happened to Yahoo.
Ericson2314大约 8 年前
Why the hell is this flagged?
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surrey-fringe大约 8 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...</a>
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fiatjaf大约 8 年前
It&#x27;s time to stop breaking up any companies.
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