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Experimental Nighttime Photography with Nexus and Pixel

380 点作者 monort大约 8 年前

21 条评论

BeetleB大约 8 年前
Amateur photographer here.<p>This should be the future of DSLRs. Provide some sort of API so that I can create recipes for my photography project. Bonus if the hardware is powerful enough for me to process the way <i>I</i> want to on it (as opposed to the builtin, mostly useless, features).<p>As a silly example, say I want to take 10 photos. I want the first photo to be 1&#x2F;30s. The next 1&#x2F;15s, and so on - doubling the interval each time. I just want to be able to program this, and assign it to a button&#x2F;menu item, so it will do it automatically.<p>Or I want to do custom focus stacking. It should automatically take N shots of predefined focal distances, and if powerful enough, stack them.<p>I&#x27;ve never coded Android apps, so I don&#x27;t know how much control over the camera is exposed to you, but why can&#x27;t camera companies provide the same level of control?
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ivanech大约 8 年前
Once you know some basic principles of photography, this actually shouldn&#x27;t be all that surprising. The Google Nexus 6P uses a 1&#x2F;2.3 inch type sensor that measures 6.17 x 4.55 mm. That gives us ~28 square mm of sensor area. The initial example image was taken with a full-frame camera with a sensor that measures 24 x 36 mm, yielding 864 square mm. That gives the DSLR ~30x the sensor area of the Nexus. Then with the same amount of light per square mm per second (measured by the f-stop of the lens) the Nexus needs to expose the image for 30x longer than the full-frame camera to gather the equivalent amount of light. It just so happens that this approach used 32 exposures - it makes sense that the results look comparable to a full-frame camera because the phone gathered just as much light.
rb808大约 8 年前
My Nexus 6p takes amazingly good photos - I rarely use an SLR now.<p>The main problem I have is that it shuts down after 10-30 minutes of use - no help from google. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;code.google.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;android&#x2F;issues&#x2F;detail?id=227849" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;code.google.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;android&#x2F;issues&#x2F;detail?id=227849</a> Makes me want an iPhone. (see below Huawei might be fixing)
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soylentcola大约 8 年前
I&#x27;ve been pretty happy with my Pixel XL&#x27;s camera (easily keeps up with the incremental improvements in cell phone cameras over the years) but I also appreciate how they didn&#x27;t make this into too much of a puff piece where they &quot;hand wave&quot; away the amount of work still needed in Photoshop or similar.<p>The takeaway is that with some effort and intelligent use of other software tools, you can put together a nice image with all sorts of lower-end cameras. The bit at the end about hopefully adding some of this functionality to software available on the phone was a nice touch, as I imagine all of the big players are always working on that sort of thing.
zokier大约 8 年前
The photos are impressive. But considering the introduction, it would have been nice to have some actual side-by-side comparisons with dslr. And then just for fun, the same exposure stacking applied to dslr at max iso.
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polyvisual大约 8 年前
&quot;The camera cannot handle exposure times longer than two seconds.&quot;<p>What&#x27;s the reason for this? Is it a hardware restriction? I suppose an artificial software restriction could be removed by using root &#x2F; other camera software.
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pdelbarba大约 8 年前
reminds me of the low light video camera that was on here ealier. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;kottke.org&#x2F;17&#x2F;04&#x2F;incredible-low-light-camera-turns-night-into-day" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;kottke.org&#x2F;17&#x2F;04&#x2F;incredible-low-light-camera-turns-ni...</a><p>Not as fast, but the results look fairly similar.
jbarham大约 8 年前
FWIW Olympus already provides in-camera shot stacking for night shots in its Micro Four Thirds cameras via their &quot;live composite&quot; mode. See <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.duford.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;08&#x2F;explaining-olympus-live-composite-mode&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.duford.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;08&#x2F;explaining-olympus-live-compos...</a> for example shots.
fudged71大约 8 年前
Incredible results!! I would really love to be able to do this on a phone.<p>I&#x27;ve tried with iPhone to take long exposures and crank up the brightness&#x2F;HDR to bring out as much signal as possible. This is the best that I could do on a fully moonlit night: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;km1D9" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;km1D9</a>
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HappyTypist大约 8 年前
What I don&#x27;t get is why JPEG is still so commonly used when it introduces significant artifacting (even at high qualities). When a more advanced format like WebP can deliver higher quality images for the same file size.
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Theodores大约 8 年前
I think the timelapse style stars is a feature and not a defect, although it goes against the original challenge.<p>Although this article is about the challenge - decent photography with a mobile phone - it does outline how easy it is to layer up lots of images in Photoshop, median everything out and get a long exposure image. Taking out the sensor &#x27;median&#x27; was clever too.<p>So you could use this with DSLR images too, to take better long exposure images whatever the sensor, so long as everything is fully HDR and manual.<p>I think that I might just give it a go. With PHP Imagemagick so that I can automate the Photoshop part and tweak settings easily.
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LoSboccacc大约 8 年前
if this could become an app it&#x27;d be great
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locust101大约 8 年前
This is great that they are investing so much in camera. In modern smartphone, I do not feel any difference in performance between my moto play and s7 edge. It is just the camera that makes me keep coming back to s7 edge, despite the $300 price tag difference. It is just much more convenient and I have stopped bringing my dslr on trips now since the phone camera works really good.
pareshverma91大约 8 年前
I think it would be interesting to compare an image shot in the daylight with the one created with this processing scheme in the same daylight. I expect the normal exposure shot to be better than the processed one, but it would be interesting to observe the difference in quality.
Jack000大约 8 年前
for the stars shot the next obvious step would be to automatically segment the image with optical flow. Could also try solving the hand-held problem with ORB feature matching.<p>given the previous posts from the googleblog I kind of expected a bit more algorithmic involvement beyond image stacking.
th0ma5大约 8 年前
I know on the XDA forums, at least for the 5x, there is an app someone threw together to do long exposure times. I played with it some and got a pixelated mess, but I didn&#x27;t try a tripod. Some people on the thread produced some pretty good pictures.
dboreham大约 8 年前
Interesting work. However, in order to reproduce the marin headlands DSLR image the smartphone would have needed to also stitch a panorama from multiple frames (because the lens used in the DSLR shot has roughly 2x the FOV angle).
tambourine_man大约 8 年前
&gt;Still, this may be the lowest-light cellphone photo ever taken.<p>Not so fast buddy. Some of us have been playing with this stuff for a really long time :)
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shaklee3大约 8 年前
Fascinating article. Thanks for all the work.
carlob大约 8 年前
Why take the mean instead of the median of the images? Wouldn&#x27;t the median be less sensitive to outliers?
Gravityloss大约 8 年前
Cameras, like so many things, have been increasingly software limited during recent years.