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For Chinese Home Buyers, Seattle Is the New Vancouver

65 点作者 e15ctr0n大约 8 年前

11 条评论

thegayngler大约 8 年前
Maybe there needs to be tighter controls over who is allowed to purchase real estate and under what circumstances they can purchase real estate....ie you must be a citizen of the US to purchase real estate in the US. I know this is going to be down voted but I think its perfectly reasonable.<p>People are living on the streets yet there are empty homes available that aren&#x27;t for sale and artificially propping up home values in the area because someone from overseas needed somewhere to hide their cash.
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partycoder大约 8 年前
Real state seems to be a preferred way to stash money overseas. Vancouver is full of homes without occupants in them because of this reason. They&#x27;re now trying to mitigate the problem by applying a high tax penalty for home owners that keep their house without occupants, making it inefficient to buy houses to keep them vacant.<p>They also do it domestically, but leading to ghost towns.
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pfarnsworth大约 8 年前
Hong Kong and China has a similar restrictions or tax on non-citizens who attempt to buy property in China. China in fact disallows non-residents from purchasing real estate until they&#x27;ve lived there for a certain period of time.<p>I&#x27;ll be curious as to see how this affects Vancouver real estate prices. Right now it doesn&#x27;t seem to have had a huge effect, but if the market crashes, it will be very interesting to watch to see how it ends up. Real estate there has been going straight up for so long, it&#x27;s a way of life for 2 generations who have never seen a major crash. I wonder if the market does crash, it will shake out the way the dotcom bust did, where people kept buying because they thought &quot;it&#x27;s on sale&quot; but it never reached a bottom until so many people lost so much money.
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jpatokal大约 8 年前
Actually, Sydney has been the new Vancouver for quite some time now.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.abc.net.au&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017-03-24&#x2F;why-chinese-investors-keep-buying-australian-property&#x2F;8385174" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.abc.net.au&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017-03-24&#x2F;why-chinese-investors-...</a>
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sytelus大约 8 年前
So how does this work and why does it make sense at all? I am assuming Chinese investors aren&#x27;t getting citizenship just because of their real estate purchase. At least US laws require at least $1M investment ($500K for special projects) and most houses in Seattle are below that mark.<p>So now you as Chinese investor have an expensive property in a foreign country where you can&#x27;t live permanently and very likely you have little information on purchase itself. Sure you can rent out using some management company and bet on appreciation but it&#x27;s still a lot of risk considering you have little control and information over property management, local events and economics. Plus real estate markets have long history of downturns and non-liquidity in times when you need the most. Wouldn&#x27;t buying S&amp;P500 index or something for long term would be a far better investment choice? Or just REIT funds if you just want to bet on real estate? Or is there some hidden economics involved that we don&#x27;t know of?
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vmarsy大约 8 年前
&gt; The tax applies to anyone who isn’t a citizen or permanent resident of Canada and purchases a home in metro Vancouver.<p>I feel they could simply apply the same tax to non US citizens&#x2F;permanent residents trying to purchase a home in the Seattle area.<p>The idea of a vacancy tax seems hard to apply while respecting people privacy.<p>If the owner is a non citizen who doesn&#x27;t live in the US, you can use immigration records to know of his presence, and they he&#x2F;she can show rent documents to prove if the house was occupied. But this looks like it would be hard to enforce.<p>It&#x27;s interesting to see how other cities are tackling the issue, Paris bumping up the tax to 60% of the fair market value of rent for instance : <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zerohedge.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017-03-07&#x2F;vacant-homes-are-global-epidemic-and-paris-fighting-it-60-tax" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zerohedge.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017-03-07&#x2F;vacant-homes-are-gl...</a><p>This lost also shows that while Vancouver is high on the list, San Francisco and NYC are higher.
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jroseattle大约 8 年前
We have seen the effect of foreign investment in Seattle real estate, but this has been happening a lot longer than the tax actions taken in Vancouver.
RandyRanderson大约 8 年前
This article couldn&#x27;t be farther from the truth. The graph at the top shows some ridiculous &quot;searches&quot; bar graph.<p>Once Seattle&#x27;s had 25%+ <i>average</i> growth in housing prices for several years coupled with absolutely no economic basis to support such a trend, then we can start a discussion.
99_00大约 8 年前
Not even close.<p>You can live in Vancouver and fully enjoy the city without ever having to speak a word of English.<p>The signage and announcements at YVR are in Chinese.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;c1.staticflickr.com&#x2F;4&#x2F;3304&#x2F;4556712750_a4470bfb56_z.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;c1.staticflickr.com&#x2F;4&#x2F;3304&#x2F;4556712750_a4470bfb56_z.j...</a><p>Chinese grocery stores are common in the city and many suburbs. You can easily find mandarin speakers at most banks. Chinese signage and mandarin staff are common in malls, especially luxury goods.<p>And if you get permanent residence healthcare is free. Just don&#x27;t declare your foreign income. Everyone&#x27;s doing it.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;vancouversun.com&#x2F;life&#x2F;richmond-3-why-does-upscale-neighbourhood-appear-poor-to-tax-officials" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;vancouversun.com&#x2F;life&#x2F;richmond-3-why-does-upscale-nei...</a>
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scottmcdot大约 8 年前
Anyone know where to get juwai.com search volume data?
api大约 8 年前
Seattle will have to follow suit after Vancouver.