Trump 'poised to quit Paris climate deal'

&gt; The decision will put the United States in league with Syria and Nicaragua as the world’s only non-participants in the Paris Climate Agreement.<p>So I guess its up to private industry in the US to tackle climate change.<p>And just before people start complaining about Trump..<p>&gt; A letter from 22 Republican senators urging Mr Trump to withdraw played a major role in the decision, Axios said.<p>This is an American political issue not a Trump issue.....<p>&gt; Canada, the European Union, and China have said they will honor their commitments to the pact even if the United States withdraws. A source told Reuters that India had also indicated it would stick by the deal.<p>This is much happier news

Wonder if any country would take a stand and sanction the USA for &quot;not doing their fair share to save the world&quot;. Like imposing a climate tax on US imports.. That&#x27;d be interesting.

This is insane. That being said, we have options. Please call your representatives, please donate to environmental groups. These actions won&#x27;t directly force Trump to change his mind but we need to show the government that climate change is important to us<p>Find your reps: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tryvoices.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tryvoices.com&#x2F;</a><p>Citizens Climate Lobby: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;citizensclimatelobby.org&#x2F;donate&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;citizensclimatelobby.org&#x2F;donate&#x2F;</a><p>350.org: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;act.350.org&#x2F;donate&#x2F;build&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;act.350.org&#x2F;donate&#x2F;build&#x2F;</a>

At the risk of sounding nutty... I&#x27;ll say it anyway.<p>The Paris climate deal is a cabal for Goldman-Sachs to draw money from governments via the taxes levied for participating countries. If you read the deal itself, the language doesn&#x27;t have any metrics for success... it&#x27;s goals and methodologies for combatting climate change is really hoaky.

For anyone that has 5 minutes, this BBC article is chilling...<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;future&#x2F;story&#x2F;20170418-how-western-civilisation-could-collapse" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;future&#x2F;story&#x2F;20170418-how-western-civilis...</a><p>The salient point being..<p>&#x27;Western civilisation is not a lost cause, however. Using reason and science to guide decisions, paired with extraordinary leadership and exceptional goodwill, human society can progress to higher and higher levels of well-being and development&#x27;<p>We seem to be at a point in time where all of those points are lacking in US policy &amp; leadership.

The distressing thing about this goes way beyond whether or not climate change is human caused, or a natural cycle of the earth. I&#x27;m distressed that we would leave an agreement that would bring prosperity to future generations. Like it or not, we have to all still live here and keep this planet alive. How the hell did science ever become a political issue?

While this is a setback I&#x27;m curious what real impact this will have?<p>The markets seem to be driving towards clean energy regardless. Coal is not competitive against Natural gas (and I appreciate gas isn&#x27;t ideal). And, hopefully the US will regain it&#x27;s senses in 2018 &amp; 2020 elections.

Does anyone share my apathy toward politics in general? My logic is that we have no, as in zero, control over the entire apparatus. In a country with two sides, there will be a natural bifurcation that will not allow for constructive... _anything_. Couple that to the beltway insider club AKA lobbying and you have a situation where only those with serious capital have a voice in the capital.

Is there anything positive, at all, about leaving the Paris climate deal? Or is the president going to do something that helps no one (not even himself), and hurts us all? Who gains from this?

<i>reposting from the previously flagged thread:</i><p>More details from the NYT, in which it was noted that things are not final, as President Trump is set to meet with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson this afternoon. Tillerson has been advocating on behalf of sticking to the deal: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;05&#x2F;31&#x2F;climate&#x2F;trump-quits-paris.." rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;05&#x2F;31&#x2F;climate&#x2F;trump-quits-paris...</a>.<p>&gt; <i>And Mr. Trump has proved himself willing to shift direction up until the moment of a public announcement. He is set to meet Wednesday afternoon with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who has advocated that the United States remain a part of the Paris accords and could continue to lobby the president to change his mind.</i>

I&#x27;m having an ongoing facebook feud with a die-hard Trump supporter who has been parroting the &#x27;everything with an anonymous source is fake news&#x27; line for the last weeks.<p>I challenged him to argue that it was likely Trump would not pull out of the Paris Accord because of the anonymous sources reporting that he intends to ... He just replied with some fake climate science and &#x27;simple questions&#x27; that modern climate science has not answered to his satisfaction ... The blindness is insane -- and the damage really can&#x27;t be overstated ...

I can&#x27;t help but wonder if doubling down on fossil fuels today isn&#x27;t blatantly stupid.<p>I mean, except for coal (that has some nasty enough local effects for most countries to quit by themselves) fossil fuels are already getting scarce. Production prices are going up and up, with just a few old fields holding them low enough for current prices. Increasing the reliance on them right now... Well, any smart player would be doing the exact opposite of it, wouldn&#x27;t them?

Why bother quitting the deal? It&#x27;s not like it has any teeth. Trump is dumber than I thought. He could have his cake and eat it, too.

I wonder how many know the details of what the deal actually is.

the amount of ignorance in this action is unbearable.

Im seeing the liberal bubble here.<p>Here is what trump supporters think(not a trump supporter).<p>Its only ever been a bankster fraud pushed by goldman sachs<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quidsapio.wordpress.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;06&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-goldman-sachs-invented-cap-and-trade&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quidsapio.wordpress.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;06&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-goldman-sachs...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;green.blogs.nytimes.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;11&#x2F;12&#x2F;goldman-sachs-buys-into-carbon-offsets&#x2F;comment-page-1&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;green.blogs.nytimes.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;11&#x2F;12&#x2F;goldman-sachs-buy...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.wsj.com&#x2F;environmentalcapital&#x2F;2008&#x2F;10&#x2F;27&#x2F;street-cred-goldman-sachs-buys-into-carbon-credit-developer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.wsj.com&#x2F;environmentalcapital&#x2F;2008&#x2F;10&#x2F;27&#x2F;street...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goldmansachs666.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;05&#x2F;al-gores-carbon-trading-scam-reeks-of.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goldmansachs666.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;05&#x2F;al-gores-carbon-tradi...</a><p>These are the core tenents of the Paris Climate Agreement:<p>(a) Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change;<p>(b) Increasing the ability to adapt to the adverse impacts of climate change and foster climate resilience and low greenhouse gas emissions development, in a manner that does not threaten food production;<p>(c) Making finance flows consistent with a pathway towards low greenhouse gas emissions and climate-resilient development.<p>Translation for the gullible: give us money. for vague stuff. and vague goals. and vague methods that cant accomplish goals because we never want the tax gravy train to end. Nor that even have actual metrics for success so we never have to stop taxing everyone.<p>plus trust china when they tell you they will also &quot;do stuff&quot; too. even though they lie their ass off about everything<p>Protip: china pollutes more than DOUBLE the usa. more than usa and europe combined. and while our emissions have declined over the last decade, theirs have exploded

Good - renewable energy is becoming more efficient and within our lifetimes will become overtake fossil fuels as the most cost-effective forms of energy. Indeed this will happen faster in the absence of taxes and regulations that slow innovation and do relatively little to combat climate change.<p>Edit: Use this website to find your representative and urge them to support this decision: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;callyourrep.co&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;callyourrep.co&#x2F;</a>