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Ask HN: How are top-grossing apps calculated?

54 点作者 bvod将近 8 年前
How does Google and Apple calculate top grossing apps, when a number of those apps have their sales from a subscription model that does not happen through the app store (spotify, netflix, etc)?

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mdonahoe将近 8 年前
Fun fact: if your app has a reasonable conversion rate, you can basically buy your spot on that list temporarily by spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on advertising.<p>It usually isn&#x27;t sustainable, but can be helpful during launch of a new game to make sure it gets attention. I think it was easier than cracking the Top Free list, since fewer apps have IAP.<p>The ad team at my previous game company would do this and not tell the rest of the rank-and-file employees. We&#x27;d be psyched to see our app in the top grossing list... meanwhile the ad team would be spending more money than we were earning.
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Zakiazigazi将近 8 年前
They don&#x27;t account for revenue from outside the stores. Apple technically doesn&#x27;t allow purchases to happen outside its stores, in practice that has always been a bit of a grey area, but in any case that revenue is not disclosed to Apple and therefore cannot affect the rankings in any way.<p>As for the calculations, Apple updates roughly every six hours and I think (the algorithms not being public for a good reason, I have no real proof), they take into account the total sum revenue during the last period, but also use the relative delta revenue as a factor, so even with slightly lower revenue a suddenly popular app can appear higher in the rankings.<p>They also seem to change the algorithms every once in a while, we&#x27;ve seen pretty drastic changes overnight a few times, eventually though the top apps always normalize around the usual suspects, so it&#x27;s possible that they just do some sort of reset of historical data that also affect rankings.
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adamcanady将近 8 年前
I also wonder why Apple allows some apps to accept payments via credit card yet others need to use the built in payment solutions?<p>EDIT: some research later indicates that it&#x27;s possible allowing a user to sign up outside the app (and outside a webview initiated by the app) skirts around the policy [1], since the user can return to the app and log in, then use their account for payments.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.designernews.co&#x2F;stories&#x2F;9695-how-do-apps-like-lyft-uber-airbnb-skirt-apples-30-cut-on-each-transaction" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.designernews.co&#x2F;stories&#x2F;9695-how-do-apps-like-ly...</a>
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mdonahoe将近 8 年前
How do you know a large fraction of subscription signups don&#x27;t happen through the App Store? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;9to5mac.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;24&#x2F;netflix-in-app-purchase&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;9to5mac.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;24&#x2F;netflix-in-app-purchase&#x2F;</a>
soulchild37将近 8 年前
I think Apple only take in account for direct app purchase, in-app purchase and subscription plus this ranking is calculated weekly.
richardwhiuk将近 8 年前
I believe top grossing apps only includes payments made via the App Store for Apple.<p>It includes both in app purchases and cost to buy.