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How some people stay motivated at work when they don’t love their jobs

127 点作者 rrherr将近 8 年前

22 条评论

jasode将近 8 年前
There&#x27;s the well-known Simpson&#x27;s image <i>&quot;do it for her&quot;</i>[1].<p>I&#x27;m confused as to who he&#x27;s writing for as it seems very obvious that many people get &quot;motivated&quot; for work they don&#x27;t enjoy because they have to support their family.<p>For example, every time the word <i>&quot;passion&quot;</i> is thrown around on HN, it will incite people to respond: <i>&quot;fuck passion... I just want to work my 40 hours and go home and spend time with my family.&quot;</i><p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;7MkgTGT.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;7MkgTGT.jpg</a><p>episode wiki: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;And_Maggie_Makes_Three" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;And_Maggie_Makes_Three</a>
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creepydata将近 8 年前
I&#x27;m absolutely dumbfounded this is some sort of revelation to the author. It must be a new thing? Perhaps a product of the &quot;self esteem&#x2F;entitled generation?&quot; Whenever I hear people (including job ads) talk about &quot;passion&quot; at work I have to roll my eyes. I <i>never</i> though of work as a means to some sort of personal fulfillment, it&#x27;s a job, it&#x27;s purpose is to provide you money. That is it! If you get personal satisfaction out of your work that&#x27;s a nice bonus. Those &quot;passion&quot; people are going to become very dissatisfied with work and life - there&#x27;s very, very few jobs that have the ability to provide that. We should probably be looking at things in a more practical manner to avoid this.<p>I always thought jobs advertising that they are looking for someone with &quot;passion&quot; as a ploy to trick the bright eyed and naïve young into overworking before they become disillusioned.<p>I&#x27;ve actually enjoyed most of the &quot;menial&quot; jobs I&#x27;ve worked. The only unenjoyable job I worked was only unenjoyable due to piss poor management. Now I enjoy working as a software engineer, I like what I do, but it&#x27;s still just a job, just a way to earn a living.<p>I&#x27;m reminded of Office Space on career advice: &quot;[The question from a guidance counselor of what you would do if you had a million dollars] is bullshit to begin with. If everyone listened to her there would be no janitors because because nobody would clean up shit if they had a million dollars.&quot;
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goshx将近 8 年前
This article resonates with me, although I loved my job.<p>To make a long story short, when I was 20 I had to fully support my mother and my very young sister. This was the most important reason that led me to accept conditions at work (work for a foreign company who I didn&#x27;t know anyone in person, for low salary, not enough vacation, work way more than 40 hours per week, be on call 24&#x2F;7 for years, etc) that I know for a fact people that were not in the same situation would never take. At least the vast majority of my friends and colleagues from college.<p>I still loved my job, but it was a balance between accepting shitty conditions and being a very dedicated worker betting on a brighter future for my family.<p>It turned out very good for me, although it took a very long time to, in terms of salary, be on par with a national median.<p>I never thought about it that way, but family indeed was the real motivator for me.
WalterSear将近 8 年前
I don&#x27;t see how you can ask people to self report in a circumstance like this and get anything but cognitively assonant responses.<p>If you are hemmed in by poverty, location, and financial obligations, you are going to convince yourself that your circumstances are acceptable to you, whether or not that is actually the case, or you won&#x27;t survive in it, and be around to make a self-report.
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preavy将近 8 年前
“Listen. You don’t live there. You live here. With your people. Go to work. Get your money. And come on home.”<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;05&#x2F;the-work-you-do-the-person-you-are" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;05&#x2F;the-work-you-do...</a>
ranprieur将近 8 年前
Supporting your family is not a third kind of motivation. It&#x27;s totally extrinsic, because you get more money for doing the job than not doing the job.
csours将近 8 年前
Some people on this discussion have mentioned the motivation of &quot;they pay me&quot;.<p>For me personally &quot;they pay me&quot; is enough to get me in the door and sitting at my desk for a certain amount of time each day.<p>I think it&#x27;s actually this way for a lot of people.<p>My previous job doing DevOps-y stuff was completely different. In that job, if I didn&#x27;t show up and do my work, other people wouldn&#x27;t be able to work either. Doing that job felt like I was supporting my work family.<p>My current job (software QA) is very disconnected from eventual users and it just feels like a very repetitive slog every day.<p>Anyway this should maybe have been a throwaway, but whatever.
likelynew将近 8 年前
This is my story for the internship I am doing. Though I like the main aim of what I am doing, but I couldn&#x27;t write a single line that involve any thought. And it&#x27;s not I don&#x27;t like programming. I contribute to open source at least once almost every week. It&#x27;s just I don&#x27;t feel like reporting to someone who knows less than me(no kidding), and I resort to trickery that I done something, which in reality I don&#x27;t spend half an hour a day. And, I can not leave the internship because of the fear of what I will tell my friends and family.
rubicon33将近 8 年前
There&#x27;s a huge difference between the quality and quantity of work one does when intrinsically motivated, v.s. externally motivated. Yes, fear of losing your job and the inability to support your family that comes with it can and does motivate people to perform. That said, intrinsically motivated people are on a league of their own, driven to pursue their craft for the enjoyment of it.
tetraodonpuffer将近 8 年前
isn&#x27;t this &quot;third motivation&quot; simply fear that if they don&#x27;t perform they will be fired and their family would suffer from it?
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ForRealsies将近 8 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realclearpolitics.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;05&#x2F;jordan_peterson_why_you_have_to_fight_postmodernism.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realclearpolitics.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;05&#x2F;jordan_pe...</a><p>&quot;I can tell you, because I received many letters of this sort ... young people are absolutely starving for someone to provide them with a sense of responsibility, and say look here, here&#x27;s something worth living for, man.<p>You can find meaning in life with freedom, but freedom. Freedom is a chaotic sort of meaning, right, and freedom isn&#x27;t sort of thing makes people happy. It is the sort of thing people troublesome -- troubled. Because freedom expands your series of choices, and that makes you nervous and uncertain... not to say that that&#x27;s a bad thing. It&#x27;s a good thing but it requires that you shoulder the responsibility of the freedom, but responsibility per se is what gives your life meaning, genuine meaning in the face of suffering.&quot; -Jordan Peterson
ikarous_lost将近 8 年前
I read this article hoping that it would provide some meaningful insight into my own situation, but unfortunately, it only raised more questions. What about those of us who don&#x27;t have families to support? What about those of us who are, in essence, unneeded? What each person needs in his or her life, whether it is provided by work or by something else, is a sense of meaning. Without this, vigor suffers. How this is not commonly known is beyond my comprehension.<p>Viktor Frankl wrote a whole book about this innate need for meaning, aptly titled &quot;Man&#x27;s Search for Meaning.&quot; In the book, Frankl observes that those who best survived the horrors of concentration camps were precisely those who were able to give some sort of meaning to their suffering, which in many cases came in the form of a family or loved one that waited for them to emerge from captivity.<p>This article is not very useful, and its lack of insight leaves me feeling surprised that it was written by a psychologist (who ostensibly should know better).
SirLJ将近 8 年前
&quot;another day, another dollar&quot; is a good motivation for a lot of people...
thetruthseeker1将近 8 年前
Presumably for this author, when he came of age to work, he didnt need to support his parents or his brothers, so he had the luxury to look for true meaning in his work and had enough balance in his checking account that quitting wasn&#x27;t an unreasonable choice when he didnt find what he was looking for. I would think he is not alone, and many people around the world who come from upper middle class families are in the same boat if they dont have anybody else depending on them and if they can&#x27;t find meaning in their job.
asah将近 8 年前
People are also strongly motivated by being part of a team and &quot;winning&quot; e.g. achieving a common goal or beating an enemy.
ensiferum将近 8 年前
Bollocks to this. Just show me the money!
tpeo将近 8 年前
Funny how the first thing that appears when you open the article is some guy pouring a drink.<p>Turns out it&#x27;s not for him (I think) nor did the guys at QZ intend to suggest it was, but I just interpreted the picture in a whole different way.
timwaagh将近 8 年前
this is interesting. i thought i was a bit silly for working to essentially please my mom. maybe its still a bit silly. but sometimes people are silly and act in irrational ways. at least i&#x27;m not alone in this.
mathiasben将近 8 年前
The author is mistaken, it&#x27;s not motivation he&#x27;s attempting to describe; it&#x27;s coercion.
notadoc将近 8 年前
Money, mostly.
bryanrasmussen将近 8 年前
I like money.
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taytus将近 8 年前
I&#x27;m not going to ask why this BS is on the front page of HN. But it would be nice to know how many people upvoted it.
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