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A boy the bullies love to beat up

35 点作者 garbowza大约 17 年前

18 条评论

edw519大约 17 年前
I read this story, too, wondering why it was here. But I kept reading anyway because I had already noticed 18 comments and I was curious to see what my fellow hackers had to say about this. (I'm a hacker news addict; I value your comments as much as the original content.)<p>I expected my fellow hackers to condemn this bullying behavior and support the bullyee. But instead I was very surprised (more like stunned) to read some of these responses.<p>I empathized with the boy in the story because it could have been my story. And probably the story of many people here. Just because you're not a jock or a ladies man, then something must be wrong with you.<p>The attacks on this boy were unacceptable and inexcusable. I don't know the answer to this problem, but blaming the victim is NOT.
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Prrometheus大约 17 年前
I agree that this is not Hacker News.<p>On the other hand, this relates to one of my pet causes. It is a shame that the boy’s parents have no options except to A) petition the school board for relief B) mount a political campaign to unseat the school board incumbents and then reform the school system (a large undertaking) or C) move to another school district. Why can’t they just take their money to a better run competitor?<p>School choice doesn’t answer every school quality problem, but there is a certain perverse anti-logic in bureaucratic monopolies that pervades much of what goes on in primary education.<p>Hopefully my rising to the bait won’t pollute Hacker News discourse too much, as only those who click on this comment thread will read my comment.
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Tichy大约 17 年前
Those not hacker news comments are so tiresome. I was curious about the article, but it didn't seem to have a punchline. But then I was still curious about the comments on Hacker News. After all, it seems to be a system with a problem. Billy most definitely seems to not have managed to hack the system to his advantage.<p>It seems unlikely that there could be a technological answer to those problems, but who knows?
admoin大约 17 年前
The consensus seems to be that this doesn't qualify as Hacker News, but I tend to think that a large percentage of the users of this board can empathize with this boy. I certainly went through some of this (though not nearly as much, and at a much younger age), and I'm sure a pretty large percentage of today's startup founders and programmers went through similar tormenting at some point for being smart, different, or just unlucky. Thus, this gets a well deserved up vote from me.
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tsuru大约 17 年前
&#62; (not (hacker-news-p))<p>T<p>:(
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nazgulnarsil大约 17 年前
I miss being a minor. I hung out with a lot of other nerdy kids, so it was always fun to walk up behind a guy who was hassling one of my friends, tap him on the shoulder, and punch him in the face.
mynameishere大约 17 年前
Time for Catholic school, maybe.<p>At any rate, you will see this time and again in any institution that has an internal disciplinary system. The effect is twofold:<p>1. Small infractions are amplified in importance. Thus, it is possible to be socially humiliated for...writing on a desk, talking out of line, chewing gum.<p>2. Large infractions are covered up. Thus, beatings, which in the real world could result in prison, are punished with 3 day suspensions.<p>Both of the above are designed to <i>preserve the power structure</i>. Minor infractions are punished for the sake of exercising that power, reminding people of it, to prevent cracks from forming, etc etc. Meanwhile, large infractions are covered up so that the outside world doesn't realize that it needs to intervene.
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Hexstream大约 17 年前
Bah, I've been a loser from ~7 to ~18 (I'm 22) and I see right through the BS. I've been bullied repeatedly during that time. Fortunately it was "only" words in my case but the ravages and dynamics are mostly the same, I think. Here are some couple points, in random order:<p>- Probably, about 50% of the fault lies with Billy. He will <i>never</i> get out of this hell if he doesn't accept a big part of responsibility. There's a reason he's the only one that gets beat so much and so hard. I'm sure his mother is well-meaning, but she's not helping him by putting all the blame on the other kids and the authorities which don't do squat. Which brings me to my next point.<p>- Trying to get Billy out of hell by counting on authorities or throwing lawsuits is mostly pointless. The perpetrators are mostly untouchable and they're fully aware of it. Those that push for the authorities to enforce Billy's safety are only taking his destiny out of his hands and giving him a good excuse to blame others for his predicament. "It's not my fault if I'm not safe, it's the authorities that don't protect me enough". There will always be waves and waves of people that will attack Billy, verbally or physically, because guess what, there are tons of people in this world that are in dire need of better status and self-esteem and a lot of them will opt to pray on easy targets to make themselves feel superior.<p>- I'm sure Billy thinks he can't reverse the tide because everyone knows him and how he gets beat. But throw him in a new neighborhood where nobody knows his past at all, and I'll bet you the same problem will occur. That's because he's projecting a bloody image of himself that the sharks will no doubt sniff real quick. When I was bullied, when people I had never even seen called me names I thought the word somehow had got around. But what I should have understood is that it's just the blood and shark thing. It's not that everyone knows you, it's that everyone can picture you in the generic loser template. Those days, I can recognize the "old me's" at a glance, and it's painfully obvious I could become a bully if I hadn't matured properly.<p>- Trying to find external motivations like "he's too tall" or "he wears glasses" or "he has learning disabilities" is BS. When I was a loser, I was indeed "too tall", and there always was "something wrong with me" (ex: unfashionable clothes), but now I'm as tall as ever and I still have unfashionable clothes but nobody notices that anymore. Weird, eh? No, it's just my attitude that's changed.
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daniel-cussen大约 17 年前
I disagree with claims it's his fault.
Kaizyn大约 17 年前
You would think that the parents would have enrolled the child in some sort of self defense class or program. Teaching the kid how to defend himself from the bullies would have been the most effective way to handle the situation.
sohail大约 17 年前
Why are you modding up this article
lisper大约 17 年前
Maybe time to add down-arrows.
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mattmaroon大约 17 年前
It seems highly unlikely that this happened as randomly as the kids parents seem to think. Kids are brutal, but they are also inconsistent. The fact that they are all beating up on the same kid, day after day, means there is something more to it than typical teenager douchebaggery.<p>Everyone thinks their child is sweet and innocent, but in reality the kids who get beat up repeatedly are doing something to cause it. They may not deserve the end result, but their actions do encourage it.
huherto大约 17 年前
IMHO there is something wrong with the boy:<p>1.- Not being able to physically defend himself.<p>2.- Not being alert of his surroundings.<p>3.- Not being able to have friends who would look after him.<p>4.- Even having a behavior that exasperates other students.<p>I may even ask the question: What is he getting out of this? Is he getting more attention? Is he getting to feel like a victim? Is he getting the right to feel sorry about himself? Is he able to justify his low grades?
mooneater大约 17 年前
Learn karate.
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tim2大约 17 年前
Bad voters, bad.
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xlnt大约 17 年前
So when Billy says, "Mom, I don't want to go to school today. I fear I'll be badly hurt," his parents make him go anyway?<p>Awful story :(
daniel-cussen大约 17 年前
Reminds me of La Ciudad y los Perros (The Time of the Hero).<p><a href="http://www.enotes.com/time-hero/" rel="nofollow">http://www.enotes.com/time-hero/</a>