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Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal

100 点作者 brakmic将近 8 年前

11 条评论

Joe-Z将近 8 年前
I don&#x27;t get the number of people here commenting &#x27;this isn&#x27;t theft&#x27; and they&#x27;re just exploiting legal loopholes.<p>Yes, you may be able to justify this legally, but it is a morally highly questionable behaviour nonetheless.<p>I mean jesus, aren&#x27;t many people on here some kind of intellectual elite? And these are the people that argue FOR the ones fucking over the general populace for their personal gain?<p>This kind of shit has to stop and we should be the people stepping in for the little man. Unless of course you dream of one day profitting from the same anti-social tax-evasion bullshit.
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lordnacho将近 8 年前
While I do think the rules should be fixed, I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s fair to call it theft. They do have lawyers to make sure it&#x27;s legal.<p>There are desks at banks whose entire reason for existence it tax arbitrage. It&#x27;s not really a great use of people&#x27;s education and time, but it&#x27;s real and it&#x27;s legal. I don&#x27;t know the specifics of how it&#x27;s done, but I do know these desks exist.<p>There was another case in Denmark where the tax department basically neglected to check that the claimants actually owned the shares and just sent them a huge amount of withheld dividend tax.<p>The underlying issue is that the rules can be gamed, but only by entities who can pay for the professionals who understand them. There&#x27;s gotta be a smarter way to arrange the tax system.
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runj__将近 8 年前
The very first number is incorrect isn&#x27;t it?<p>€3,100,000,000 != 31.8 billion
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philipps将近 8 年前
Great long-form reporting about the case in German (minus gifs) &gt; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zeit.de&#x2F;2017&#x2F;24&#x2F;cum-ex-steuerbetrug-steuererstattungen-ermittlungen&#x2F;komplettansicht" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zeit.de&#x2F;2017&#x2F;24&#x2F;cum-ex-steuerbetrug-steuererstatt...</a>
mcv将近 8 年前
I&#x27;d like to read the article, but instead I constantly get big animations all over the screen. Very distracting. Apparently this is a frivolous topic rather than something serious?
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smoyer将近 8 年前
It&#x27;s a small crime - the real crime is this web-site! These developers were the same ones who thought combining &lt;blink&gt; and &lt;marquee&gt; was a good idea in the &#x27;90s.
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VMG将近 8 年前
&gt; What the state could have done with €31.8 billion<p>If we start with these sorts of calculations, why not set the tax rate to 100%? Apparently the taxed populace doesn&#x27;t ever do anything worthwhile with their money.
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bolololo12将近 8 年前
Not a smaller scandal was former Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk (now President of the European Council) reform to move money saved on privately owned pension accounts called OFE (OFE invested peoples money into obligations and bonds) to the public pension system - circa 151 billion PLN, so around 40 billion USD.<p>link: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.money.pl&#x2F;gospodarka&#x2F;raporty&#x2F;artykul&#x2F;skok;na;pieniadze;z;ofe;rzad;zabiera;nam;150;miliardow;zlotych,14,0,1375502.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.money.pl&#x2F;gospodarka&#x2F;raporty&#x2F;artykul&#x2F;skok;na;pieni...</a>
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golergka将近 8 年前
This article obscures the most important question you can have about this: was it legal, or wasn&#x27;t it?<p>You can have as many ethical systems as you want and call it &quot;evil&quot; or not depending on your opinion. But you don&#x27;t have multiple law systems (in a single country) and call it &quot;theft&quot; or &quot;legal loophole&quot; depending on what mood you&#x27;re on. It&#x27;s either one or another.
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charlesdm将近 8 年前
&gt; BERLIN, June 22 German banks exploited a legal loophole that allowed two parties to claim ownership of the same shares, the financial watchdog will tell lawmakers this week, in schemes that could have cost the state billions of euros in tax over many years.<p>ZEIT: &quot;The Multibillion Euro Theft&quot;. To call it theft then, is a bit ridiculous. It was a loophole. There are loopholes everywhere. If lawmakers would make proper laws (isn&#x27;t that part of their responsibility?), and took sufficient time to think them through, a lot less loopholes would exist. Unless they&#x27;re put there by design, of course.
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atemerev将近 8 年前
If theft is involuntary taking of other people&#x27;s money, then tax is theft. Employing every legal trick to minimize taxes is moral and encouraged.
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