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Ask HN: Alternatives to work/life balance?

14 点作者 Kinnard将近 8 年前
I think work&#x2F;life balance is a faulty concept and doesn&#x27;t characterize what many of us, especially in tech and startups want or need. We love our work and aren&#x27;t trying to balance our work again our lives and don&#x27;t buy into that dichotomy anyway.<p>Has anyone come up with or found any really effective alternative mental models?<p>EDIT: an indicative quote from <i>The Fifth Discipline</i>: &quot;There is also another, in some ways deeper, movement toward learning organizations, part of the evolution of industrial society. Material affluence for the majority has gradually shifted people’s orientation toward work— from what Daniel Yankelovich called an “instrumental” view of work, where work was a means to an end, to a more “sacred” view, where people seek the “intrinsic” benefits of work. “Our grandfathers worked six days a week to earn what most of us now earn by Tuesday afternoon,” says Bill O’Brien, former CEO of Hanover Insurance. “The ferment in management will continue until we build organizations that are more consistent with man’s higher aspirations beyond food, shelter and belonging. Moreover, many who share these values are now in leadership positions. I find a growing number of organizational leaders who, while still a minority, feel they are part of a profound evolution in the nature of work as a social institution. “Why can’t we do good works at work?”&quot;

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itamarst将近 8 年前
Of <i>course</i> management will try to sell you your job as &quot;higher aspiration&quot; or a &quot;sacred&quot; goal (drink the startup kool-aid!). Means you&#x27;ll work harder and longer and bargain less. They will also happily fire you, lay you off or cut your wages when times are bad. And then your lower aspirations (food, shelter) will suffer too.<p>Which is not to say you shouldn&#x27;t <i>enjoy</i> your job, or aim to do fulfilling meaningful work. But doing one thing to exclusion of all others is not healthy. It&#x27;s not productive, either - work&#x2F;life balance will make you <i>more</i> productive: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;codewithoutrules.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;10&#x2F;work-life-balance-software-engineer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;codewithoutrules.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;10&#x2F;work-life-balance-so...</a>
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RUG3Y将近 8 年前
It sounds like you&#x27;re young and you know everything. The geezers harping on about &quot;work-life-balance&quot; and protesting all-nighters and weekend sessions don&#x27;t have a clue.<p>Just because you&#x27;re fresh and excited right now doesn&#x27;t mean that you&#x27;re not susceptible to burnout. It can and will creep up on you much faster than you think. If you don&#x27;t believe me, you can try it! I realize this sounds a little mean. It&#x27;s my opinion, and I sincerely hope it&#x27;s wrong and I wish you the best.
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HelloNurse将近 8 年前
Work&#x2F;death balance. How much and in which ways do you want to die of overwork and burn yourself out?
shoo将近 8 年前
This book may be a relevant read: &quot;Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work&quot;
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creepydata将近 8 年前
So you&#x27;re saying you want to make your work your life? How about &quot;my work is my life,&quot; or &quot;I&#x27;m married to my job?&quot;
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alltakendamned将近 8 年前
Here&#x27;s a relevant article that might be a good read for you:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.brainpickings.org&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;11&#x2F;theodor-adorno-work-pleasure-gadgeteering&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.brainpickings.org&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;11&#x2F;theodor-adorno-work...</a>
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mbrock将近 8 年前
Indoors vs outdoors; focusing vs relaxing; earning vs spending; customers vs family; profit vs nonprofit; etc.
gls2ro将近 8 年前
I don&#x27;t know how to actually answer your question.<p>First I can recommend an essay of _Bertrand Russell: In Praise of Idleness_. Not because what he says is true because it is more a reflection or a philosophical enquiry than a demonstration of something so it cannot be true of false in itself. But because it might provide some questions to ask about the source of ideas behind the concept of how we do work.<p>Second: related to a new mental model. I think in order to have a new mental model there should be a problem (a crisis) with the existing one.<p>What is the existing model?<p>A possible speculation (in IT) based on common mainstream ideas:<p>- There is&#x2F;was a general move from seeing jobs&#x2F;work as means to live to &quot;making a dent in the universe&quot; or &quot;changing the world&quot;<p>- There is&#x2F;was a supporting atmosphere of believing that work can happen anytime and anyplace - we have access to what we need to work from everywhere and every time we want to<p>- There is&#x2F;was a general idea that everybody should love what they are doing and should want to do that all the time<p>- There is&#x2F;was a large support for work from home, which (at least symbolistically) means that work and home are not antagonistic concepts<p>- There is&#x2F;was (maybe not majority) support and focus on spreading concepts of: one should hang together with one&#x27;s peers afterwork, one should go to hackathons in weekends, one should read more about technology during personal time, one should come early to the office or one should leave late ...<p>- Now the outsiders are seen as being the ones who are saying that after work they are not doing programming but something unrelated to IT<p>Based on the mainstream ideas above then one possible logical conclusion could be that: (in general) we are not moving toward a work&#x2F;life balance but to work being the main activity of the day and life being a complement.<p>What I agree with is that we don&#x27;t yet have a name or a good understanding of the current model works - what what it is (which is not work&#x2F;life balance). And it might be that we don&#x27;t have such understanding because we are in a transition period.<p>Historically I think we passed through multiple periods for the vast majority of people:<p>1. When there is not life after work (and no concept of happiness, well-being ...) - from the dawn of humankind until manufacturing era<p>2. A period when the focus was on the life after work. When people were working to have money to spend after work. In this case it did not matter what kind of work was. It matter how much time one spent there and how much money could bring it. I think it lasted up until 70s - 80s.<p>3. A period of high purpose - let&#x27;s called it &quot;enlightenment&quot; - when people wanted to &quot;make a dent in the universe&quot;, &quot;want to change the world&quot; and basically everybody was talking about passion, ideas, ....<p>4. Now - a period of unrest or anxiety about the future<p>In the end I think there is one subject we are not talking about and I think it might define how we explore the topic you are providing and that subject is a question to ask ourselves: What is a GOOD life? Where GOOD is a personal concept including morals&#x2F;ethics, happiness&#x2F;well-being, tranquility, being content with life, but in the same time a concept defined or imposed by society.<p>edit: formatting
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