Debian 9 Stretch released

Chris Lamb here, Debian Project Leader for 2017. Would love to get your feedback on the parallel &quot;Ask HN&quot; thread here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14579080" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14579080</a>

Don&#x27;t forget to verify the install medium, which is a little more involved with Debian.<p>If you&#x27;re already running a trusted Debian system, then install the debian-keyring package. Packages are signed and verified, so those keys don&#x27;t need further verification.<p>Otherwise, fetch the keys in [0] with gpg:<p><pre><code> $ gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys &lt;...&gt; # e.g. 0x6294BE9B </code></pre> Then, verify the key&#x27;s fingerprint with [0]:<p><pre><code> $ gpg --fingerprint </code></pre> Unless you don&#x27;t trust your CA, this is good enough.<p>Finally download the checksum and their signature files, and verify their signatures:<p><pre><code> $ gpg --verify &lt;...&gt; # e.g. SHA512SUMS.sign $ gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring &#x2F;usr&#x2F;share&#x2F;keyrings&#x2F;debian-role-keys.gpg --verify &lt;...&gt; # if using debian-keyring package </code></pre> [0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.debian.org&#x2F;CD&#x2F;verify" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.debian.org&#x2F;CD&#x2F;verify</a>

As a former Debian Project Leader from many years ago: congratulations on another fine release!

I have been running a little &quot;Single Server LAMP Lifestyle Business&quot; for 15 years now and it has been happily crunching away on rock solid Debian all the time :) All in all I spend a few hours per week on it and it pays all my bills. Thank you, Debian team!<p>From what I read [1] Debian 8 will be supported until April 2020 and Debian 9 until June 2022.<p>So in 2020 I will have to decide to either switch to Debian 9 or to Debian 10 which probably will be out by then. Is that correct? My feeling is that it might make things easier for me to skip Debian 9 and go directly with Debian 10.<p>I did the same with 7. My server used Debian 6 until I switched to Debian 8.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.debian.org&#x2F;LTS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.debian.org&#x2F;LTS</a>

One of my favorite changes:<p>&gt; If you use debhelper&#x2F;9.20151219 or newer in Debian, it will generate debug symbol packages (as &lt;package&gt;-dbgsym) for you with no additional changes to your source package. These packages are not available from the main archive. Please fetch these from debian-debug or snapshot.debian.org.<p>No more shipping -dbg packages with full binaries. And less storage space is always a win.

My favourite change is the transition to GnuPG 2.1 as the default &#x2F;usr&#x2F;bin&#x2F;gpg. Particularly the &quot;trust on first use&quot; (TOFU) trust model is a really good improvement.

Finally! Been eagerly waiting for this. Congrats Debian team.<p>This is surprising though:<p>&gt; <i>Python 2.7.13 and 3.5.3</i><p>I thought 3.6 was in Stretch out of the box. Why 3.5 only (especially on a LTS)? :\

It seems you have committed to supporting Python 2.7 for two years longer than official support. Could you comment on that situation?

I&#x27;d like to know if the Linux server landscape is changing in favor of Debian due to Docker. It seems most popular packages are based on Debian.<p>Although Alpine Linux is my personal choice.

As I mentioned yesterday on the &quot;Upcoming&quot; comment thread (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14574287" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14574287</a>), if you&#x27;re looking to start using Stretch in your Vagrant dev environment, we&#x27;re uploading AMD64 &amp; i386 boxes for both VirtualBox and Parallels providers to Atlas as I type this. (If you&#x27;re reading this soon, make sure it&#x27;s v1.2.0, v1.1.0 is based on RC5 from a few days ago)<p>Edit: the uploads are complete, v1.2.0 of debian9-amd64 and debian9-i386 are released.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;atlas.hashicorp.com&#x2F;koalephant" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;atlas.hashicorp.com&#x2F;koalephant</a><p>If there is user demand for it, we can look into vmware boxes, and possibly hyper-v too.<p>Apologies if anyone feels this is off-topic&#x2F;opportunistic - AFAIK all other Debian 9 boxes on Atlas target Virtualbox only, and while projects like Boxcutter (which we forked from) <i>do</i> support Parallels&#x2F;etc, they aren&#x27;t always the quickest to produce new boxes.

fyi Debian names their releases after Toy Story characters.<p>Sid (Debian unstable) is named after the guy that breaks the toys.

Nice! I see it&#x27;s already available on Linode.

Well, my Tangerine iMac will be sad to see debian support go.

I use debian mainly for servers. Tried Debian 9 this morning for desktop, do not like the hidden-by-default-activities UI, also D9 does not recognize my dual LCDs(Ubuntu has no issues with that), so it will be the same for me: All servers will be upgraded to Debian 9, Ubuntu LTS for the desktop, and ArchWiki for documentations. Good for now and Thanks for the new release.

How long does it usually take for things to settle down in Testing after a stable release? I heard it might take up to several months.

Thanks a ton to the whole debian team. You do amazing job that keeps the modern computing running day and night.

<i>Chromium 59.0.3071.86</i><p>How well is Chromium supported on Debian?<p>I like it as a secondary browser for its excellent support of multiple profiles but I run Ubuntu and had to switch to Chrome because Chromium doesn&#x27;t seem to be updated promptly.

Downloading it, does anyone know how does Debian work on a MacBook Air 7,2?

I&#x27;ve been running Stretch for 6 months and can&#x27;t remember a single crash or issue. Amazingly stable release, kudos and thanks to everyone involved.

Nice to see this release; I&#x27;d already started upgrading some of my lightly-loaded servers over the past few weeks but the &quot;real&quot; ones will wait a little longer.<p>One thing that is new in this release is the availability of mod_http2, for Apache. I&#x27;m looking forward to seeing if that will increase the response-time of my various websites.

At last the freeze is over. It started to be a bit annoying to build Mesa from source when stuff like newer llvm and libdrm are hard to squeeze into frozen Debian testing.<p>I suppose the idea of reducing freeze time with &quot;always releasable testing&quot; didn&#x27;t really work out (lack of resources?).

Firefox is back.<p>Me: Yay!<p>In version 45 (released on March 8, 2016)<p>Me: WTF.

Really looking forward to this release. We run Kubernetes with Debian 8. One of the big pain points has been needing to enable Docker memory accounting. I read that memory accounting will be enabled by default in Debian 9. Is that still the case?

Happy to report I updated last week already and even my cubox-i (arm) booted just fine on first attempt. Thanks and congratulations!

Anyone else tried to get debian running on Macbook pro late 2016?

Golang 1.7... 1.9 is due out soon. Sigh, this is why I end up installing things myself without a package manager.

Does it support USB yet? ;-)

Congratulations. The return of Firefox branding makes me feel nostalgic. I remember using Firefox 1.04 on Debian in the early 00&#x27;s. This was in the golden age of Firefox, when every new release was an improvement and it was a lean non-bloated alternative to other browsers.<p>In the past Debian was considered to be one of the most stable Linux distributions available. Stability and quality was a priority above anything else. However, around 2014 something changed when systemd was forced into Debian in a way that would never have happened before the new generation of developers took over the project.<p>Maybe this is just something we have to get used to, young developers seems to value ease above quality and stability, this also explains the current flood of Electron apps.