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Copy What You Like (2006)

129 点作者 Jimmy将近 8 年前

10 条评论

6stringmerc将近 8 年前
It&#x27;s kind of funny to see such a profound and important lesson distilled in to such a kitsch cross-stitch type musing. That might sound harsh but look closely - it took Graham 10+ years of following the wrong mental path before finally finding the right one. It&#x27;s not about &quot;copying what you like&quot; it&#x27;s about &quot;finding yourself first&quot; - and, even then, there&#x27;s no guarantee self-actualization will put food on the table or pay medical bills.<p>All that in context, this would make a great inscription on a whisky flask:<p>&gt;<i>A guilty pleasure is at least a pure one.</i>
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emtel将近 8 年前
It&#x27;s kind of sad that PG couldn&#x27;t get anything more than that out of the short stories he read in high school english. Sure, a lot of them are forgettable, but if I think think of the stories I read that stuck with me, they all had a heck of a lot more going on than just being a random slice of mundane unhappiness. A few that really stuck with me: The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (James Thurber), The Open Boat (Stephen Crane), The Long Sheet (William Sansom). If PG couldn&#x27;t find anything funny, gripping, or worthwhile in stories like these, well, his loss.<p>It wouldn&#x27;t even be worth making this comment, except that PG seems to consider himself some sort of authority on writing (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;talk.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;talk.html</a>) - and for him, the one and only rule of style seems to be simplicity. I&#x27;ll agree, simple beats overwrought, but c&#x27;mon. Great writers have a style that makes you <i>want</i> to copy it, which is something that PG doesn&#x27;t seem aware of even as an aspiration.
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pascalxus将近 8 年前
I happen to agree with him on this post. And, although it&#x27;s excellent advice, you have to understand, its not a popular view point, and that by taking this advice to heart, you&#x27;ll deviate significantly from social norms. The vast majority of people value &quot;impressive&quot; things as he&#x27;s defined them and won&#x27;t put up with your Objective analysis of what&#x27;s good.<p>Case in point, They&#x27;ll sneer and look down upon you for buying the 10$ jeans (that are the same or better quality as 100$ jeans!), or a refurbished 2 year old 150$ android phone, that works perfectly and has everything you could ever need. They&#x27;ll hate on you for buying 2nd hand excellent products at low prices. I could care less what they think, but nevertheless, it still impacts how they interact with you.
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scandox将近 8 年前
Assuming intellectual dishonesty across a whole group of people or discipline is a mistake. Most things are bad but this approach actually blinds you to what is good within the bad and it sets your views in stone and prevents development.
notadoc将近 8 年前
Fair advice. You see this frequently with art, startups, technology, and business in general.<p>Reminds me of a quote told to me by a very successful entrepreneur: &quot;The best idea I ever had was someone else&#x27;s&quot;
dredmorbius将近 8 年前
Bad advice.<p>At the very best, grosssly incomplete and misleading.<p>After rejecting what <i>other</i> people like, the best pg can come up with is ... to follow what <i>you</i> like. That&#x27;s an equally fraught heuristic, though it may be more avaialble for observation and examination.<p>Realise that what works <i>does so regardless of appeal</i>. But that there&#x27;s a great deal which has (near-term) appeal which doesn&#x27;t work (long-term). Sometimes it&#x27;s a false start, sometimes it&#x27;s a fad, sometimes it&#x27;s cargo-culting, sometimes it&#x27;s an establishment of common ground which facilitates communication or understanding but not <i>effectiveness</i>.<p>I&#x27;d suggest instead:<p>Look at what is being practiced, and ask <i>why</i>?<p>In the case of the short story: the history of literacy, amusement, entertainment, postal delivery, publishing and printing technology, advertising, bundling concepts, and the lack of subsequent alternatives (radio, television), increased literacy, and free time, made the short story a popular format. Different dynamics brought forth the radio serial, soap operas (first on radio, then television, now the White House), sit-coms, movie serials, blockbuster movies, space operas, and comic-book franchise preboot requels.<p>Funding environments can create entire classes of research or application -- surveillance capitalism, AI, national security, moon shots, abstract art COINTELPRO.<p>I&#x27;m the last space alien cat to ask what you should do that leads to <i>success</i>, though my own heuristic has been to look for fundamental questions, ask a lot of <i>why</i>, and question premises. Going back to roots and history can make a lot of foundations look far less firm. There may or may not be opportunity there.<p>I&#x27;d also focus very hard on being lucky.
voidhorse将近 8 年前
Interesting. PG provides a thought provoking opinion, and he&#x27;s a fine writer. However, I think this idea is a bit naive.<p>Sure, maybe he came to realize depressing, moody short stories weren&#x27;t his thing, but I damn near guarantee his imitation of said stories was crucial to his learning how to write half-way decently. The vast majority of philosophers are not good writers. A few stand out as fine men of letters, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Cioran, and some others, but the vast majority of them are more concerned with the clear step-wise elucidation of an argument which, while important, rarely leads to an enjoyable or noteworthy result in the domain of literary style and is frequently bland and dry. There is some special enjoyment one derives out of the works of the like of Russell and Frege, but it relates to the crystalline nature of their ideas, not the genius of their literary style.<p>Take for instance the rhetorical technique Paul utilizes in the first graph--the repetitions of Mistake n. x. Mistake n. x. Mistake n. x...etc. That sort of structure, and indeed the casual tone, is pretty rare in academic philosophy, and in academic computer science. Where is it more common? In the efforts of short story writers, informal essayists and other such literary folk.<p>I do agree that its natural to imitate what you like, and beneficial, but there&#x27;s something to be said for imitating things you are averse to as well--they present more of a challenge because you have to <i>overcome</i> your natural dislike for the thing and <i>really</i> evaluate it--you have to question your own opinion of it, have to see if you can uncover any diamonds in the muck, have to see if, even if you dislike it, you have the chops to pull it off. In short, you <i>grow</i> as a person. Sure, the same thing happens when you make an easy picnic of your studies and imitations, but its silly to discount the value of forcing yourself to engage with views opposite your own, or things you are naturally disinclined toward.<p>I think Paul makes the mistake of assuming his conclusion in this essay before reaching it. He seems to have decided that none of his history copying these things he didn&#x27;t like was valuable from the start, when, if he reflected a bit more, I&#x27;m sure he&#x27;d be able to find that, in fact, those were important links in the chain in some sense, and not total wastes of time.<p>That being said, he is correct that we need to determine value for ourselves and to come up with our own metrics and schemes of judgement. However, there is still value in the old pantheon--in the recommendations of all the men who walked before us, in all those stuffy critics and analysts babblings. After all, giants are giant for a <i>reason</i>. While it&#x27;s important, as Paul says, to get over blindly accepting as good or special what everyone else considers good or special, it&#x27;s just as important to be able to understand <i>why</i> these things are considered special in a particular domain. You have to learn your own predilections--but you also have to learn the rules, the history, the techniques, and the value scales coupled with a field of art--the master is he who can bridge the two, he who engages in tradition while changing it, he who plays by the rules while making his own.
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omginternets将近 8 年前
Part of me agrees with this, but another part says &quot;this is the best way to avoid discovering anything new and profound&quot;.<p>I&#x27;ve often read things I haven&#x27;t enjoyed (or even understood) until much later.
samirillian将近 8 年前
&gt; It was so clearly a choice of doing good work xor being an insider that I was forced to see the distinction.<p>Not sure I get this. Doing good work would seem to go along with being an outsider in a corrupt economy.
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EGreg将近 8 年前
I don&#x27;t trust the authorities on HN for what&#x27;s a good comment.<p>I am going to type something amazing that might get me downvoted.<p>Vive la difference!