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US court grants Elsevier millions in damages from Sci-Hub

47 点作者 merraksh将近 8 年前

7 条评论

pmyteh将近 8 年前
&quot;Sci-Hub does not add any value to the scholarly community. It neither fosters scientific advancement nor does it value researchers’ achievements.&quot;<p>Well, that&#x27;s bollocks. Obviating the need to use seven-click uncookied login systems adds value to the scholarly community in itself. And that&#x27;s just for those whose universities <i>already</i> pay for the journal.<p>Fuck Elsevier and its trade associations.
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droithomme将近 8 年前
The article states that the judgement is regarding copyright infringement on 100 articles and the damages awarded are $15 million.<p>It also notes that 28 million articles have been downloaded, so perhaps the true damages according to law, if all downloads were considered, should be 28e6*15e6&#x2F;100 = $4.2 trillion.<p>I wonder, how many of the 100 articles, or the 28 million for that matter, were written by staff at Elsevier? Well the number is zero articles of course. Then we might ask, how many of the 100 articles or the 28 million articles were written by anyone for whom Elsevier financially compensated? Again the number is zero articles of course. Yet Elsevier, who neither wrote nor paid for any of these articles they claim copyright to, is entitled to $4.2 trillion in damages.<p>We might also ask, how many of the 28 million articles downloaded were done so by people who if they had not found it on scihub would have paid the $28 or $39 or $179 1 day or 3 day or 7 day &quot;access pass&quot; to read the single article? Perhaps it is a few. Perhaps before scihub there were up to dozens of people a month buying these access passes, across the many millions of articles Elsevier claims to own despite them never having authored them nor having financially compensated the authors.<p>Who are the real thieving parasitical self-serving pirates here? Is it Elbakyan? Or is it Elsevier?<p>Who is the scientist fighting for academic freedom and working to spread knowledge here? Is it Elbakyan? Or is it Elsevier?
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ckastner将近 8 年前
Note that this was a default judgement: &quot;Judge Sweet of the US district court in southern New York ruled in favour of Elsevier, <i>in the absence of Elbakyan or legal representatives of any of the defendants.</i>&quot;
meshr将近 8 年前
Doesn’t Elsevier understand that copyright law doesn’t work in Internet? They spent bunch of money on layers and got nothing but a piece of paper. They can’t even remove Sci-Hub from google.
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thewisenerd将近 8 年前
This article seems a bit late, or?<p>Here&#x27;s a tweet thread from May 17&#x27;th of this year; linked in the original artice, that would probably provide more info;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;SteveMcLaugh&#x2F;status&#x2F;865002008515719168" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;SteveMcLaugh&#x2F;status&#x2F;865002008515719168</a><p>This article is written by another journal, so, take the article with a bit of salt and pepper.<p>just gonna leave these here, anyway:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;ecommerce&#x2F;subscribe.action?productId=nature" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;ecommerce&#x2F;subscribe.action?productId=...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;openresearch&#x2F;publishing-with-npg&#x2F;article-processing-charges-faqs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;openresearch&#x2F;publishing-with-npg&#x2F;artic...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;openresearch&#x2F;publishing-with-npg&#x2F;nature-journals&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;openresearch&#x2F;publishing-with-npg&#x2F;natur...</a>
Brian_K_White将近 8 年前
How much of this paywalled research was conducted even partly on public funds?<p>It is absolutely a public good for me for any curious researchers to have unfettered access to as much human knowledge as possible. I guarantee we get more out of that than we do out of protecting a publishers business model.
woodandsteel将近 8 年前
All the more reason to run Sci-Hub on ipfs.