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A Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and Its Effects on the Web [pdf]

84 点作者 zczc将近 8 年前

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peruvian将近 8 年前
I&#x27;m definitely falling into the &quot;X.com used to be so much better back then!!&quot; trope but I really hate how much &#x2F;pol&#x2F; culture spread throughout 4chan.<p>I spent a lot of time between 2006-2014 on various boards like &#x2F;a&#x2F;, &#x2F;mu&#x2F;, &#x2F;g&#x2F;, and &#x2F;int&#x2F; until suddenly everyone was an &quot;SJW cuck&quot; and everything was politicized&#x2F;full of angry wannabe-right wingers. Made me quit the site (well, that and other things).<p>Sometimes you just want to meme about the latest bad anime episode, not have a poorly researched debate about race and politics.
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AndrewKemendo将近 8 年前
There is no way to study 4chan. It&#x27;s like an electron, if you measure it, it&#x27;s position will change and you&#x27;ll be back to the start.<p><i>the majority of &#x2F;pol&#x2F; posts (about 84%) are either neutral or negative</i><p>They are looking at a board full of &quot;trolls trolling trolls&quot; as they like to put it and then coming to the conclusion that everyone is negative. The leap then is when it comes to tying it to hate speech in the same context as would be elsewhere.<p><i>“Nigger” is the most popular hate word, used in more than 2% of posts, while “faggot” and “retard” appear in over 1% of posts.</i><p>I submit, based on my experience with &#x2F;b&#x2F; in the past, that there is a different context behind the use of these words on 4chan versus the rest of the world. In fact in both of those cases a poster, typically &quot;OP&quot; is called one of those terms, viscerally and without thought for content or demographic makeup (largely because it&#x27;s not known). So for example if you post a picture that is silly or not particularly relevant then a string of &quot;OP is a faggot&quot; comments will commence in an almost ritualized manner.<p>Further, it&#x27;s only in the rarest cases that someone from outside of 4chan finds their way to any one of the boards (not crawled by google AFAIK) and then posts something, not understanding the community, it&#x27;s like metafilter in that way. It&#x27;s a self selected group of trolls, hackers and curious people. So I think this study comes to the wrong conclusions:<p><i>However, we are confident that our findings can serve as a foundation for interesting and valuable future work exploring fringe groups like the alt-right, hate speech, and online harassment campaigns</i><p>Extremely doubtful. 4Chan would be considered a &quot;Chaotic Neutral&quot; character. They do terrible stuff and great stuff, but no group can harness it for their own purposes. &quot;Not your personal Army&quot; is a common theme - which the study didn&#x27;t even pay attention to. If the group smells blood they will attack, no matter who it is or what cause, &quot;4 teh lulz.&quot; I mean that&#x27;s where &quot;Anonymous&quot; basically originated.<p>This is a great example of how embedding yourself into a culture is the only way to understand it - which these researchers didn&#x27;t do.
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anon6778将近 8 年前
Previously on HN (2016): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12705851" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12705851</a><p>Original version of the paper with &quot;rare pepes&quot;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1610.03452.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1610.03452.pdf</a>
ViktorV将近 8 年前
I live in the EU, and what I see is that the two sides ( progressives &#x2F; modern conservatives ) almost say the same things with very subtle differences, and the real difference is the way they talk.<p>I saw a comment here that stated that a neoliberal won against a progressive which is right. But every poll shows that Bernie would have won against Trump. This basically means that the right wingers actually agree with the progressive talking points: global warming, health care, and a little bit of anti globalism. This also means that Hillary didn&#x27;t represent these.<p>I&#x27;ve also seen here that there is there is no left wing push. Some talking points of Hillary are the best example of that, for ex. &quot;vote for me because I&#x27;m a woman&quot;. Many people who think that there are no major differences between a man and a woman will think that this statement is sexist. There is a push to be kind with everyone and it is forced on people very hard ( NASA guy with the shirt ).<p>This is very real as you can see in many comments. This like racism against black people in the U.S: if you ask black people many will say that they never experienced it, same like conservatives, but this doesn&#x27;t necessary mean that it doesn&#x27;t exists.<p>My main point that the progressive movement has two sides: one with important issues which are physically influences our lives, and one which wants social change. IMHO the social changes they want aren&#x27;t that great, and the means they try to achieve that are very very bad. The mainstream part of democrats turned to the social part, and that caused this change.<p>My question for liberals here, who just don&#x27;t understand why 4chan changed: Do you think what I&#x27;ve stated here is true? Why not? If yes then why the connection between the alt-right and leftist push is wrong?
flycaliguy将近 8 年前
I did a fair bit of browsing on 4chan&#x27;s &#x2F;pol as well as the less chaotic 8ch dot net &#x2F;pol.<p>I don&#x27;t have strong evidence but I got the sense that there was more than just trolls trolling trolls. It felt like psychological operations. It felt like a community with calibrated narrative control and engineered content by motivated parties.<p>A lot of memes designed to target sexual insecurity. At the top of the messaging, a mutation of the &quot;Pick up artist&quot; school of evolutionary psychology designed to create a racist world view.
awirth将近 8 年前
If this is a subject that interests you, I&#x27;d recommend reading Angela Nagle&#x27;s Kill All Normies: Online culture wars from 4chan and Tumblr to Trump and the alt-right[1]. It&#x27;s a really level-headed look at online identity politics. It&#x27;s an extension of her The Baffler article &quot;The New Man of 4chan&quot;[2], from last year which went into &#x2F;r9k&#x2F;, but in her book she analyzes both &quot;sides&quot; (4chan and tumblr, if you will) which I thought was really interesting analysis, even considering I watched it all unfold as it was happening.<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zero-books.net&#x2F;books&#x2F;kill-all-normies" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zero-books.net&#x2F;books&#x2F;kill-all-normies</a> [2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thebaffler.com&#x2F;salvos&#x2F;new-man-4chan-nagle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thebaffler.com&#x2F;salvos&#x2F;new-man-4chan-nagle</a>
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aisofteng将近 8 年前
Website is unusable on iOS (can&#x27;t scroll in the frame). Direct link to a PDF of the article: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk&#x2F;staff&#x2F;G.Stringhini&#x2F;papers&#x2F;4chan-ICWSM2017.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk&#x2F;staff&#x2F;G.Stringhini&#x2F;papers&#x2F;4chan-ICW...</a>
makomk将近 8 年前
Extreme left is probably not quite right, &quot;totalitarian left&quot; would probably be closer to the mark. A left that considers all its views and actions beyond question and wields social justice ideas as weapons against dissent. For example, remember how every criticism of Hillary Clinton the neoliberal warmonger was and still is blamed on misogyny? How Sanders and his supporters were smeared as sexists and racists and all sorts? Every single idea in the modern social justice arsenal has become a cynical tool to protect the powerful and the status quo. And don&#x27;t even get me started on the gloating about poor, lower-class white folks dying of drug addictions, or the articles in rags like the Guardian hoping for the day when demographic shifts mean the Democrats don&#x27;t have to care about what happens to them anymore because their votes are irrelevant; Richard Spencer couldn&#x27;t come up with a better fucking argument for white supremacy if he tried. It doesn&#x27;t matter that none of this is actually left-wing, because it&#x27;s beyond criticism or challenge.
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maximumkek将近 8 年前
How will &#x2F;pol&#x2F; ever recover??
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