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The tech industry push to get coding into American classrooms

30 点作者 uncle_stupid将近 8 年前

12 条评论

20years将近 8 年前
I think a lot of the times what is missing in this conversation is the need to first get teachers in the classroom that know how to code and want to teach it. Unfortunately a teachers salary is much, much lower than what someone who does know how to code can make elsewhere.<p>I understand that there are a lot of online tools that make learning&#x2F;teaching coding easier but I do believe the person teaching it still needs to have a decent understanding. Kids ask tons of questions on how to accomplish certain things and if the teacher doesn&#x27;t really know how to code, they won&#x27;t be able to help those students who will then lose interest.
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fallous将近 8 年前
Odd that as a child growing up in the 80s every kid in my public school (in rural Kansas no less), as well as the surrounding schools I encountered, was taught programming in 6th-8th grades and also was required to take at least one high school course. Of course this was also a time when computers shipped with BASIC, users were confronted with a blinking cursor command prompt upon startup, and the very idea of a &quot;computer&quot; meant &quot;tool to do things.&quot;<p>Nowadays the modern conception of &quot;computer&quot; is more akin to &quot;consumer appliance,&quot; a more interactive television experience. For the majority of people learning to program a computer makes no more sense to them than learning how to make television shows... and the very same tech companies that drove the industry into the consumer appliance category now bemoans the fact that everyone appears to be consumers rather than producers.
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afpx将近 8 年前
Anyone ever read &quot;The inmates are running the asylum&quot; by Cooper? If this trend of making everyone into a programmer continues, I wonder what user interfaces will evolve into.<p>As a side note, recently I&#x27;ve been having more and more unexpected but amusing conversations with my non-programmer friends about things like &#x27;APIs and SDKs&#x27;. The business worker has taken over the technical vernacular, and it&#x27;s leading to some strange contortions of reality.
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chis将近 8 年前
I do think there&#x27;s a lot of value in teaching logic and algorithms as a system for thought. Coding might be a more direct way to get to it than, say, calculus, which is what is generally used.<p>But teaching kids java and databases is probably not the right approach, and is definitely only happening because Oracle wants to stay relevant.
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tmaly将近 8 年前
I think kids would better served learning how to solve problems and staying curious.<p>I had given my niece this board game robot turtles that was post on here several years back. Its a great game, but it really requires a parent to get involved.<p>I remember I got started back in the mid 80s with writing maze games in BASIC. When I was a little older, I bought all those little electronics books printed on graph paper that they sold at Radio Shack. Then I would make simple circuits and learn to solder.
Grustaf将近 8 年前
I would be extremely surprised, and very sad if in 10 years computers still need programmers for 90% of what they need them for today.<p>Soon we will consider any programming just as arcane as machine code is today.
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giardini将近 8 年前
Roger Schank would disagree, I think:<p>&quot;&#x27;Everyone should learn to code&#x27; is the new way of saying we need to create compliant factory workers and that the real purpose of school is to make sure that we are training people for the &#x27;factory jobs&#x27; of the future.&quot;...<p>&quot;I was amused when President Obama said that everyone should learn to code, since while I am guessing that Cook can code, I am pretty sure Obama cannot, so why does he care? And, what does he actually know about coding?&quot;<p>from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;pulse&#x2F;learning-code-new-way-create-modern-day-factory-workers-roger-schank" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;pulse&#x2F;learning-code-new-way-create-...</a><p>It&#x27;s a short but interesting article about the evolution of Schank&#x27;s thoughts about teaching programming.
giardini将近 8 年前
School should teach students to read, write, do basic math and think and discuss both logically and rhetorically. Once a student is educated in that sense, (s)he is prepared to learn coding.<p>Otheriwise, coding becomes like all those other courses that the student took but never used. The basics will always be useful.
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baybal2将近 8 年前
&gt;The tech industry push to get coding into American classrooms<p>And so they did for like 10 to 20 years. Maybe they need to change the strategy?
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rubicon33将近 8 年前
I desperately need to acquire expertise in a domain of programming that is not accessible via high school courses, and YouTube videos, or a fear I may not have a job (or a decent paying job) in 10 years.<p>Does anyone else worry about that?
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forgottenpass将近 8 年前
The motive of cheaper employees is self-limiting as long as they&#x27;re skipping over getting kids good at using and administrating computers and jumping right to programming.<p>Yes, kids these days are good at installing apps onto their phones. Until they learn how to figure out how to change their wifi ssid and password without a manual (then move onto programming) there is never going to be an explosion in the number of qualified software engineers. Unless &quot;coding&quot; really means &quot;shitting out cookiecutter webapps.&quot;
brandonmenc将近 8 年前
It should be a requirement, just like math is. But don&#x27;t get upset when we&#x27;re not pumping out software developers any more than we pump out mathematicians.
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