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The real reason women freeze their eggs

48 点作者 urahara将近 8 年前

14 条评论

ThrustVectoring将近 8 年前
The article completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room: Family law. If I sire children in the state of California, BATNA for figuring out how to make our lives work together is &quot;I get the state to take half a million dollars from you in spousal and child support&quot;.<p>This is a <i>huge</i> ask for trust. It&#x27;s something that I will flat out not consider unless I&#x27;ve known someone for at least four years. And guess what? If this is the timeline it takes to build the trust necessary for starting a family, then 22 year old women are two failed relationships away from being single in their thirties.<p>Much like how it is the retail consumer that pays sales tax, it&#x27;s young women that pay for the increased levels of trust required for starting a family. Men can wait, and are under almost negative time pressure. Like, if I have a long enough time horizon, I&#x27;m probably better off working until I&#x27;m 50, saving up $3M or so, moving somewhere with sane family law, and then trying to make a family work with a significantly younger woman.
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matt_wulfeck将近 8 年前
&gt; <i>New research confirms that women are not, as a rule, freezing their eggs for career reasons, but instead because they don’t have a partner.</i><p>I have a feeling it&#x27;s more linked than we want to admit.<p>As men we&#x27;ve taken advances in productivity and technology and thrown it in the trash by working longer and harder. More free time is filled up increasingly by more work. Finding a partner and staying together takes a lot of <i>time</i>.<p>Now women are being pulled into the same trap&#x2F;punishment as men, and finally we can include them in our own destruction.<p>Even in ancient times when invaders razed a city they would kill any fighting-age men but often spare women. In Silicon Valley nobody is spared.
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mynewtb将近 8 年前
Save you the click: <i>New research confirms that women are not, as a rule, freezing their eggs for career reasons, but instead because they don’t have a partner.</i><p>The rest is a weird mix of &#x27;male culture&#x27; blaming and anecdotes. Nothing lost by skipping this...
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sidlls将近 8 年前
Women seem to have it a bit harder when it comes to everything, including dating. However, one thing I did when I started looking for an actual partner was to jot down what I was looking for (my &quot;standards&quot;) and really evaluate how realistic they were given my appearance, social status, education and personality. It has a rough analogy to how employers in tech complain of a &quot;talent deficit&quot; when in reality it&#x27;s a &quot;talent deficit at the price we&#x27;re willing to pay&quot;: there is a &quot;partner deficit&quot; in some way in the sense of &quot;deficit at the standards we apply.&quot;<p>Not to say obstacles and actual deficits don&#x27;t exist, but I&#x27;ve found that often when concerns about partner suitability come up the standards involved aren&#x27;t given as much attention as they merit, or that frequently there are standards being applied the person isn&#x27;t aware of or doesn&#x27;t want to admit to.
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ravenstine将近 8 年前
&gt; It’s not the man’s fault – [...]<p>&gt; [...]the issue that drives the success of the egg freezing industry has never been employer’s attitudes to motherhood, but instead, men’s. Even if it’s something that only strikes us as it becomes a reality, women know there is a time limit on our fertility. But it’s as if men are encouraged to ignore this icky truth, to look away as if from something obscene.<p>I fail to recognize how it&#x27;s somehow a man&#x27;s responsibility to recognize a woman&#x27;s &quot;time limit&quot;. It seems like this author is pining for some kind of Patriarchy Lite where men&#x27;s primary goal in dating is to inseminate a woman for the sake of her eggs, and not so much for his own benefit. Just like nearly every one of these sorts of articles I&#x27;ve read, it fails to take into account the perspectives of men in the &quot;man deficit&quot;. I can speculate to almost no end on why women might believe that there&#x27;s a &quot;man deficit&quot;, but I won&#x27;t because plenty of men perceive a deficit of women, both in terms of archetypes and availability.<p>In summary, the author is sexist and views men as failures for not providing enough sperm for women&#x27;s eggs, failing to take into account how in any way how such a setup benefits(or fails) men or why men would even agree to get married in the first place. The view that women have of fatherhood that this author is implying is much more twisted than how she thinks men view motherhood. Seriously, I&#x27;m supposed to take pity on women in the dating pool because their biological clock is ticking and therefore sacrifice my own desires? Hah.<p>&gt; And here you have the men who learned at school to lose interest in a girl if she texts back too quickly.<p>I&#x27;ve never heard of this. Has anyone else here? Maybe this is specific to the UK? Seems pretty bizarre as I can&#x27;t imagine boys in school teaching each other not to get together with girls.
avenoir将近 8 年前
I&#x27;ll spare you the read. Women are freezing their eggs because men &quot;lose interest in a girl if she texts back too quickly&quot; and men &quot;assume they&#x27;ll [women] be wanting kids within the year&quot; or men are &quot;unable to commit&quot;. Men are the problem. Let&#x27;s not take responsibility for anything here.
autokad将近 8 年前
&quot;Come 35, it’s common for women to knock a year or two off their age on dating apps, having seen interest plummet as men assume they’ll be wanting kids within the year. .... but these are women who want to wait for a partner, someone who will go all in and plan for a future.&quot;<p>its hard to make any meaningful comments without actual data, but it feels many of these people have become picky yet want Mr perfect, when they are far from perfect.
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conductr将近 8 年前
&gt; ... you have the women in their 30s, beautiful, confident, independent and hilarious, spending their flat deposit on a single hope, because there is nobody there at night ...<p>And where did their 20s go? Probably dedicated to their careers
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skore将近 8 年前
I think Jordan Peterson had one of the best takes on why successful women struggle to make both a family and a career happen and why so many screech their careers to a halt when they hit 30: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=NV2yvI4Id9Q" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=NV2yvI4Id9Q</a>
spodek将近 8 年前
&gt; <i>these are women who want to wait for a partner, someone who will go all in and plan for a future.</i><p>Men who just wait will end up waiting for a long time, maybe forever, too. Equality also means responsibility. Today, finding a partner means taking initiative, not just waiting, for both sexes.
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mattgreenrocks将近 8 年前
Current cultural assumption is that your twenties are an extended adolescence where dating is to be casual&#x2F;fun and you figure out what you want to do with your life, but your thirties is where all the adult stuff happens. I don&#x27;t agree with that at all. If you want to be happily married with a family, you need to start moving toward that in your twenties in order to ensure you have a good chance of it. Fertility is not a given, nor do you know how long it will take to find a worthwhile partner.<p>(I&#x27;m ignoring issues of kids vs career that women have to make here, which is a sucky thing indeed.)
technofiend将近 8 年前
Garfunkel and Oates cover the dilemma some women find themselves in related to suddenly realizing you have no partner and no prospects <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;H-gfxjAaZg0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;H-gfxjAaZg0</a>
Balgair将近 8 年前
Just a quick reminder folks, marriage is a cornerstone, not a capstone. You build your lives together.
sitkack将近 8 年前
If I were a sociologist, I&#x27;d post these stories to different forums just for the resulting discussion. Twenty-something startup bros, keep chattering, this freak&#x27;n gold.