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Please Prove You’re Not a Robot

40 点作者 Futurebot将近 8 年前

9 条评论

Eridrus将近 8 年前
The last few paragraphs go kind of bonkers:<p>&gt; The problem is a public as well as private one, and impersonation robots should be considered what the law calls “hostis humani generis”: enemies of mankind, like pirates and other outlaws.<p>&gt; Improved robot detection might help us find the robot masters or potentially help national security unleash counterattacks, which can be necessary when attacks come from overseas. There may be room for deputizing private parties to hunt down bad robots.
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beefhash将近 8 年前
On the note of CAPTCHAs, there is a US software patent on blocking requests by presenting unsolveable CAPTCHAs[1]. Just thought that was an interesting thing.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;patents&#x2F;US9407661" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;patents&#x2F;US9407661</a>
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tluyben2将近 8 年前
Read all your Philip K Dick. He became popular but he had a very paranoid way of going about exactly this as the article says with the Blade Runner example (which is a Dick story if you didn&#x27;t know and the article does not mention). The problem is if you mix Bostrom with PKD you get PKD again; a robot law &#x27;telling you are a robot&#x27; will never work because once you cross the threshold you will change your circuitry to never tell that. Or maybe even tell it in a joke &#x27;yeah, I am a robot hahaha&#x27;.
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ejolto将近 8 年前
&gt; When science fiction writers first imagined robot invasions, the idea was that bots would become smart and powerful enough to take over the world by force, whether on their own or as directed by some evildoer. In reality something, only slightly less scary is happening. Robots are getting better, every day, at impersonating humans.<p>This is actually the main plot point of Asimov&#x27;s 1946 short story Evidence, which was later republished in I, robot (1950). Stephen Byerley is running for office and the main protagonists are trying to figure out if he is human or a robot.<p>Edit: Removed spoiler
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EGreg将近 8 年前
I have been saying for a while now that our current systems are all relying on the inefficiency of an attacker.<p>Soon, video and audio of an event or speech be proof of anything.<p>The only way to prove identity will be to have a device which can do challenge-response.<p>Without it, you won&#x27;t be able to prove you&#x27;re not a robot over the internet.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14786863" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14786863</a><p>Forget &quot;hacking elections&quot;. A botnet will be able to hack our trust in one another (<i>see CIA reputational attacks</i>), AI will be used to chat up girls online better than any person (<i>see fb AI sales bots</i>), and so on.<p>Computers can already beat us at Chess, Go, etc. How much different is humor, honor and reputation once companies add one more breakthrough to deep learning to model them?<p>An attacker that can make 100,000 jokes a second each of which is excellent? The missing breakthrough is how to automate the &quot;human judging&quot; factor. This is the problem when figuring out diets or treatments etc. Clinical trials take a long time. Same with textbooks.<p>Once we figure out how to speed that part up, we are going to be able to make AI that knows what&#x27;s probably going to be funny ahead of time.<p>PS: <i>See what I did there? Hint... inefficiency of attacker</i>
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mtgx将近 8 年前
I&#x27;ve found Google&#x27;s RE-Captcha or whatever they are calling it now so frustrating lately. First off, it always seems to be about cars and roads, and it seems pretty obvious they&#x27;re using this to help their self-driving car technology program. I don&#x27;t know why but this rubs me the wrong way. It makes me feel like I&#x27;m being used to do free work for Google - like a digital miner of sorts.<p>Second, it doesn&#x27;t work that well, as in it tells me that I was wrong when I should have been right, and it keeps throwing images at me, making the logging experience quite frustrating. This especially seems to happen around signs, like when you miss a part of a sign&#x27;s pole or something. Although other times it seems to act the opposite way, and it only wants the middle larger sections. That uncertainty about what you&#x27;re even supposed to do <i>exactly</i> makes for a bad experience.<p>The part where it continuously changes the images on you is even more annoying, because you&#x27;re left there wondering &quot;Do I have to pick many more of these?! Because I almost want to give-up trying to login.&quot;<p>Whatever they did to &quot;improve it&quot;, like a year ago or maybe a little less than that, seems broken to me.
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jtmarmon将近 8 年前
&quot;A simple legal remedy would be a “ Blade Runner” law that makes it illegal to deploy any program that hides its real identity to pose as a human. Automated processes should be required to state, “I am a robot.” When dealing with a fake human, it would be nice to know.&quot;<p>what a genius idea. there&#x27;s no way at all that could be used against people except for spammers
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nullc将近 8 年前
Might be easier to establish such a framework of laws and norms if nation states weren&#x27;t the leaders in this area of technology for manipulating public opinion.<p>So first try to pass laws to make it unlawful for your government to use tools like these against its own citizens. Then you might have a chance to tackle it more generally, if you can get that far against the self interest of those with the tools and the companies that furnish them.
fiatjaf将近 8 年前
There are also &quot;prove you are a robot&quot; schemes, like proof-of-work.
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