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At Amazon, the Bathroom is an Extension of the Office (2015)

53 点作者 dgelks将近 8 年前

9 条评论

Twirrim将近 8 年前
For what it&#x27;s worth, I was there for nearly 3 years (including when this article was written) and never saw that kind of bathroom behaviour. People seemed to follow the general unwritten rules. Conversations were rare, and where they did happen, the usual idle chatter that happens anywhere, while at the sink or waiting for a toilet to be available.<p>I <i>was</i> there during one of the peaks in staff&#x2F;toilet ratios. After getting rid of all of the 2 - 3 person offices and replacing it all with open plan office, and then packing us in even tighter (What they referred to as &quot;high density&quot; seating arrangements), actually getting to use a toilet was an extremely frustrating experience. With such a prominent gender bias, the male bathroom was constantly occupied, and a now infamous &quot;toilet ticket&quot; was cut (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.geekwire.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;amazon-employees-biggest-complaint-not-enough-mens-bathrooms-for-all-the-dudes&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.geekwire.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;amazon-employees-biggest-compl...</a>).<p>Eventually they relented, and as new office floor space was opened up in new buildings, they agreed to reduce staff density and set a more practical staff:toilet ratio, along with adding in an additional toilet on every floor.<p>side note: What would have really helped was if staff weren&#x27;t selfishly spending 5-10 minutes sitting on the toilet browsing the internet or playing games on their phones. It rarely takes that long to do the necessary.
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inertial将近 8 年前
Suddenly various AWS services start making sense,<p>- EBS : Elastic Bathroom Stalls<p>- ACL : Active Coding in Loo<p>- API Gateway : Always Poop Interactively ...<p>- IoT : Inconvenient Office Toilets<p>The article is full of instances like :<p>&gt; The most horrifying moment of my employment at Amazon was the time I was using the toilet and a coworker began talking from the stall next to me. He asked me why I had not responded to his very pressing email [...] What email could be so important that it could not wait five minutes for me to use the bathroom?<p>&gt; ... He began tapping on the wall between our stalls ...<p>&gt; I regularly saw people bring their laptops into the bathroom, where they would sit on the toilet and write code<p>&gt; I heard people take phone calls while mid-business
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digitalzombie将近 8 年前
My friends who works at Amazon a while back this is 2009 and between that and now they&#x27;ve been saying don&#x27;t work for Amazon. I kept in touch with the freshmen and such since I was president of ACM.<p>It also affect my spending habit on Amazon too.<p>Jeff Bezos have been quoted Kindness is a choice but the things I&#x27;ve read especially the warehouse condition is right. Kindness is a choice and it seems like Amazon chose to not to be kind.<p>I&#x27;m glad they&#x27;re trying to fix their culture but sheesh. The article mentioned about competitiveness. He makes it out as if it is some cut throat thing. If I have a family do I need more undue stress from competition while worry about my kids and family needs? I mean do I need to suck up and watch my back from co workers on top of everything? That&#x27;s a terrible place to work for.<p>Even if it&#x27;s not necessary so that I have cut throat coworkers, I still have to compete against them while doing my job. That&#x27;s insane. At least with Government some branches such as FDA you get raises base on the papers you publishes IIRC, you don&#x27;t need to hurt people or compete against your peers.
zw123456将近 8 年前
There was one company I worked at that, for whatever reason, people thought that the bathroom was a good place to have a phone call. Simple fix; when someone would start a phone call I would flush, and keep flushing every time they talked to make sure the person on the other end could hear it. I usually only took a few flushed for people to get the hint.
uji将近 8 年前
After nytimes articles, Amazon seriously has started improving its culture. Managers though still have same mindset of treating employees as replaceable resources. This is one instance after the article came out. My pregnant friend one day sent an email that she would be WFH as she isn&#x27;t feeling well. Manager replied back that this is not acceptable and you should give a week of notice for your plans.<p>This might be okay in other fields, but in tech WFH is considered a perk and companies don&#x27;t care as long as you do your work.
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valar_m将近 8 年前
I&#x27;ve been with Amazon for four years and have never once seen or heard of someone taking their laptop to the bathroom. I have difficulty believing that&#x27;s true.<p>He&#x27;s right about not enough bathrooms, though. It&#x27;s <i>really</i> fucking annoying.
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2OEH8eoCRo将近 8 年前
Okay it&#x27;s kind of silly to still conduct business in the restroom but why do people freak out when someone speaks in the restroom? Like, relax. Take it easy.
eyjafjallajokul将近 8 年前
I&#x27;m curious to know what team&#x2F;organization the OP was from. Because of how massive Amazon is, every team interacts with each other differently. For example, the org that houses Amazon Go is much more high stress, and I can imagine this happening there v&#x2F;s a team working on building internal systems. I&#x27;ve been at Amazon for 5 years now, and have never experienced whatever the post said. I have, however, been in the uncomfortable situation where a colleague has tried to talk to me in the urinal about things outside of work.<p>Funny read though :)
callingspade将近 8 年前
I work for AWS since 2014 and I am in a building that arguably has highest density compared to other Amazon buildings. I have not seen a single instance of what the author describes, on tens of floors except that during peak times one may have to go to the next floor to find an empty stall. Specifically -- 1. I have not seen anyone take laptops to the stalls 2. No conversations in the bathroom, at most a Hi when washing your hands or a &#x27;excuse me&#x27; at the door. Definitely no cross-talk across stalls. 3. No one is using bathrooms as a meeting place or a place for long conversations.<p>Since last year, there are also unisex bathrooms on each floor. While I am here, might as well dispel some other myths. Occasional WFH is the norm, not an exception. I haven&#x27;t seen people work long hours as a norm. Most people come in between 9-10:30 and leave between 5-6:30pm. Some come in earlier and some later. Almost everyone I know is driven by their own passion for their work, customer obsession, immense learning opportunity, do things that have never been done before, increasing stock value and increase in their own market value, to name a few.