More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

Here is a clue for everyone: you aren&#x27;t paid according to the value you bring.<p>You are either paid according to some pseudo-arbitrary schedule or you are paid what you can be had for. Unless Google has a secret pay penalty for females, the problem here is women being willing to work for less. No lawsuit is needed to correct that.

Every time an article like this pops up, I see the same sort of response. It&#x27;s always<p>- Women don&#x27;t negotiate<p>- Women get pregnant<p>- Women work in lower pay professions<p>And 90% of the time, the article already accounts for the nuances of those topics. Not to mention these arguments have been answered thoroughly many times over, and a cursory google would reveal that. I just wish people would do some basic research before posting, especially in the light of the Google memo.

People think everyone is the same when it&#x27;s their pay, but totally agree on wide spreads in athletes pay.

How is Google handling pay? Is there a level system with fixed pay levels? Or can anyone negotiate his salary - in limits - when starting his job?

Google might have set a trap on itself by aggressively pursuing &quot;affirmative&quot; policies. They are now being sued by both sides.

It seems that HN is flagging all articles that mention the Google Memo. Which speaks to the need to have this conversation even more.<p>For those who are interested, James has a new interview with psychology professor Jordan Peterson.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SEDuVF7kiPU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SEDuVF7kiPU</a>

It&#x27;s fascinating that management at google didn&#x27;t speak to fact that the memo points to the very real issue in silicon valley that the culture there openly shames those who are right of center into silence. Discrimination is something both the left and the right can do, but in the current landscape, the left seems to get away with it, and are sometimes even praised for it (see virtue signaling).<p>This could be a wake up call, and I suspect that secretly it is for many people.

I&#x27;ve been a bit of a Google fan for a long time, but I&#x27;m also afraid of leftist authoritarianism, and their handling of the memo had galvanized me against them. I&#x27;m not one for boycotts or overreactions, but the &quot;silencing cultural dissenters&quot; business is simply the antithesis of liberal values, and it&#x27;s especially wrong coming from a company that purports to be a bastion of freedom and defender of rights. So on the one hand, hang &#x27;em high, but on the other hand, not for failing to sufficiently toe the party line.

They should be publicly whipped for trying to abuse recent media witch-hunt.

&gt; The document, which was <i>widely condemned</i> as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate<p>Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo?<p>They are re-iterating misconceptions based on Gizmodos original story, where Gizmodo deliberately gave a misleading report, removed sources and incorrectly presented an internal memo for internal discussion as an &quot;anti-diversity manifesto&quot;.<p>Even a cursory glance of the actual memo would have shown that none of these allegations hold. Less so that they were &quot;widely condemned&quot; by anyone who had actually <i>read</i> the memo.<p>I has honestly expected The Guardian to hold higher standards.

For Google, the rope was already dosed in kerosene. The guy who wrote the manifesto just lit the fire.

This incident confirms tech is indeed a hostile place for women full of insecure men, who will grasp at anything to retain privilege.<p>And women should be rightfully wary of all these fragile men who will watch them like hawks looking for any excuse to confirm their bias.<p>The kind of comments these threads are full of are a shocking reflection of a complete lack of understanding of history, sexism, privilege and women.<p>But the root cause is some people have convinced themselves they are so &#x27;special&#x27; and &#x27;superior&#x27; only a tiny &#x27;approved&#x27; elite can do the jobs they do and anyone who diminishes this supremacist insecure identity will pay with bad science.<p>The irony is all these self appointed &#x27;geniuses&#x27; who can &#x27;decide&#x27; all by themselves about their own skill level and &#x27;lowering the bar&#x27; do not have anything remotely approaching science or measure to explain how they came to this fruity conclusion about themselves and others. This is beyond absurd.<p>This is out of control self importance and hubris fuelled by SV culture and is as far away from rational scientific discourse as any self obsessed victimhood peddling supremacist.