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I downloaded an app and was part of the Cajun Navy

324 点作者 rodrigocoelho超过 7 年前

15 条评论

lsiebert超过 7 年前
I notice people talking about untrained ad hoc groups VS professional and paraprofessionals.<p>There is no competition here, there is only lives saved. Untrained ad hoc groups had smaller boats, had more boats, and were able to help people who would have died otherwise.<p>I do think it is worthwhile to talk about problems that occurred. Get a list of them, prioritize them, find solutions. Though they have to be solutions that don&#x27;t make things worse, preferably ones that get tested during a mock disaster, not during the next real one.<p>One thing to note: Most people involved in these efforts were good intentioned and did their best. There are a few reports of bad actors, but they were rare.
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tlrobinson超过 7 年前
&gt; The second he answered, he was screaming that his brother and cousin were laying in the backyard, unresponsive, possibly electrocuted.<p>&gt; I told him they needed to try to get to them<p>&gt; I went to the bathroom, refilled my tea, walked around a bit, thinking to myself, &quot;What are you doing?? You&#x27;re not qualified to do this!&quot;<p>I&#x27;m not trained to handle this sort of thing either, but I&#x27;m pretty sure if you suspect someone has been electrocuted you shouldn&#x27;t encourage others to attempt to rescue them unless you&#x27;re confident they aren&#x27;t also at risk of electrocution.
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forkandwait超过 7 年前
I wish there were a disaster militia, with something like quarterly weekend trainings, with some FEMA sponsorship but still independent. It would be fun to practice ham communications and boat rescue anyway, and a little bit of practice could have a huge impact when the shit is truly hitting the fan.
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lukejduncan超过 7 年前
When Katrina hit, I remember finding the blog of a guy who had a company doing custom websites in New Orleans on the front page of hacker news. He stayed there through the storm and after, and I remember sitting in the undergraduate library at Wayne State University fighting back tears reading it. This had a similar affect on me. Very powerful story.<p>It wasn&#x27;t clear to me, but I&#x27;d love to learn more about the tech powering this app. Is it open source? Is it somehow decentralized?
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aaroninsf超过 7 年前
The part of this story I don&#x27;t understand myself, is how so many people had bandwidth to download and use an app, in an environment in which I would have assumed both power and the cell network–especially data–were limping or just down.<p>The implicit question is, what percentage of people in the disaster zone did, and did not, have a channel out through this app? Does this story represent the 10% case or the 50% case or...?<p>Not sure where to find the answer...
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subway超过 7 年前
It&#x27;s really depressing that we&#x27;ve largely abandoned the art of decentralized radio communication. I think Amateur radio has seen a minor resurgence in recent years, but it seems like more and more traffic that traditionally would have been passed by decentralized amateur operators now relies on centralized networks.<p>Obviously Zello and its ilk bring significant benefits with them, but I worry about the impact they have on proliferation of radio skills.
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doodlebugging超过 7 年前
We used Zello when we were down there with a boat. We are just regular people, not part of anyone&#x27;s navy, just a few guys with a boat that were part of a much larger civilian response to this disaster.<p>About the Cajun Navy - There were so many people responding to this disaster wanting to help with their time and boats that many times we found ourselves staging to launch but ultimately unable to get in the water because the neighborhood or area we were planning to search only needed 15-20 boats and two or three times that many boats staged for the task. That means dozens of trucks pulling every kind of floating contraption lined up on relatively dry Houston streets and roads and waited in line hoping to be able to take off into the floods and bring people out who needed assistance. When the authorities determined that enough boats had launched for that area, everyone else had to find somewhere else to go. Massive resources were wasted with boats lined up in one spot that could&#x27;ve been actively searching somewhere else.<p>We ran into a couple of guys from the east coast following Zello Cajun Navy reports who at great expense, drove out to help and had not been able to participate for two days because they were trying to stage in spots where the Cajun Navy was being called up. Once the call went out to the Cajun Navy, boats flooded in from all over and you were nearly guaranteed to have more than you needed. In Orange, we ran into a Texas-based rescue outfit, not the Texas Navy but some group who dressed in military duds. We explained that we were heading into one of the neighborhoods along the Sabine to check a report and asked whether they had already checked it or knew anything about it. They hadn&#x27;t heard that report or checked that area so we were cleared to go in and the leader of the group asked how we heard about the people needing help. When told that we heard it over Zello, he commented to the effect that the Cajun Navy and Zello was kicking their asses in mustering people and boats.<p>Fun stuff but the reality of the Cajun Navy effort from our standpoint was that a lot of people wasted a lot of time following their channels and maybe better coordination with other groups would&#x27;ve made a smoother effort.<p>About the Cajun Navy channels on Zello and Zello itself - Over time the effort evolved into one where each affected area had a dedicated channel to direct boaters to those who most needed assistance. This was not true at the start when the Houston channel had reports from all over the Houston area and eventually Beaumont, Port Arthur, Orange and Vidor too. It was tough at first to determine where the person filing the report was located although there was a website we used to guide us that was actively accumulating requests for rescue and pinning them on an active map. This map evolved to eventually drop many of the requests that were determined to be expired due to rescue already happening or floods receding, etc. We chased reports from that map in the areas that we worked and several times found ourselves following an old report that had not been updated. Obviously, the solution to that is to have boaters radio in and update as they visit addresses. Once the large collection of initial reports from those who had been rescued were tagged or removed the site was much more useful.<p>A big drawback of Zello in our opinion is that it is vulnerable to manipulation by anyone with the app installed. We kept hearing reports of shots fired at rescue boaters, attempts to steal rescuers boats, rescuers being attacked by residents, etc. and I feel that they were almost all false. We staged at Addicks Dam at the same time reports were actively coming in on Zello Houston channel about shots being fired and boaters were encouraged at the staging area there and later at Bass Pro Shops in Katy to be aware that some rescuers had been targeted. While at Addicks Dam staging area none of us, all Texans and familiar with weapons and gunshots, heard anything remotely like a gunshot. In the days that we were there none of us heard a gunshot at all though the reports over Zello made it sound like you might be taking your life into your hands if you tried to rescue in some of these neighborhoods. A number of rescue boaters were armed and as far as I know none of them had to fire a single shot. I could be wrong though.<p>Along the same lines Zello was full of reports about imminent dam or levee failures. This got really old as we moved from Houston to Beaumont to Orange and kept hearing the same reports of imminent failure from possibly the same person who kept assuring listeners that the Coast Guard was there with him and informing him that people should leave as failure was imminent. Jeez. Give it a rest. I checked maps around Orange and found that there is no large lake or dam or levee just upstream and we radioed to correct the reports letting people know that they likely applied to Addicks Dam in Houston if they applied to anywhere. Within minutes the same guy came on and announced that the failure of the dam was imminent, the Coast Guard had informed him, etc. A lot of bad information and potentially damaging misinformation was spread.<p>Anyway. We&#x27;re home now. Rebuilding will take a while. Help if you can.
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Damogran6超过 7 年前
Holy Crap that&#x27;s a tough read.
SigmundA超过 7 年前
Lot of misconception on this app that it works without cell service, like a regular walkie talkie.<p>Does seem like a good idea if Apple or Samsung might build in some point to point radio hardware similar to a Gotenna that&#x27;s works without cell infrastructure.
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revicon超过 7 年前
I heard about Zello through this article a couple days ago. I installed it and to be honest it&#x27;s been kind of interesting to listen to, reminded me of the old days when I wold listen in on my CB radio to the random chatter. I&#x27;m not sure how useful it is for actual communication though, it seems like SMS or similar apps are more efficient and let me know I didn&#x27;t miss anything if I&#x27;m away from my phone for a while.
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mnw21cam超过 7 年前
Could I ask, what&#x27;s so bad about going into the attic? Surely that&#x27;s just one of the easier ways to get out onto the roof?
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beamatronic超过 7 年前
We need ham radio hardware with an iOS interface
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neves超过 7 年前
When I first read this thread I was really happy to read so many stories about people flocking to help each other.<p>But I became almost depressed after reading this <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;09&#x2F;10&#x2F;world&#x2F;americas&#x2F;irma-caribbean-st-martin.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;09&#x2F;10&#x2F;world&#x2F;americas&#x2F;irma-carib...</a><p>I&#x27;ve got different meanings for &quot;First World Problems&quot;.
wnissen超过 7 年前
Why don&#x27;t we have people doing this dispatch professionally? What are FEMA and the Red Cross doing if not helping coordinate emergency response when the normal channels are overwhelmed? Don&#x27;t get me wrong, this person, and all those who aid the rescue efforts, is a hero. Don&#x27;t the people who do this deserve to get paid and have resources for dealing with PTSD? And don&#x27;t the victims deserve organized, professional response?
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kirankn超过 7 年前
Real Heroes!