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Why Dropbox decided to build its own infrastructure and network

317 点作者 zachperret超过 7 年前

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antoncohen超过 7 年前
Dropbox hasn&#x27;t dropped AWS, they moved things off AWS as it made sense to. The article is talking about two things, the move of file storage and a network backbone. Neither of which were done recently.<p>The file storage move from S3 to Magic Pocket is detailed in these blog posts:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.dropbox.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;magic-pocket-infrastructure&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.dropbox.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;magic-pocket-infrastr...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.dropbox.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;inside-the-magic-pocket&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.dropbox.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;inside-the-magic-pock...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.dropbox.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2016&#x2F;07&#x2F;pocket-watch&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.dropbox.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2016&#x2F;07&#x2F;pocket-watch&#x2F;</a><p>The network backbone is talked about here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.dropbox.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2017&#x2F;09&#x2F;infrastructure-update-evolution-of-the-dropbox-backbone-network&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.dropbox.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2017&#x2F;09&#x2F;infrastructure-update...</a>
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epa超过 7 年前
This means their EBITDA now probably shows profitability (servers they own are amortizable [the A in EBITDA], where are AWS is expensed.)<p>Edit: Amortization&#x2F;Depreciation can &lt;i&gt;generally&lt;&#x2F;i&gt; be used interchangeably.
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swampthinker超过 7 年前
I&#x27;ll be 100% honest, I didn&#x27;t realize Dropbox was still on AWS. You figure at a certain scale it makes more sense to run your own solution.
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mc32超过 7 年前
What does AWS do when someone moves 500PB of storage off of their systems? Do they sit idle till some other big customer comes along or is their growth so phenomenal that a 500PB move off doesn&#x27;t even slow new (storage) deployments at all and just keep up their pace?
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ChicagoDave超过 7 年前
I had a chance to compare all of the file services a few years ago in a large corporation and I thought out of all of them, the DropBox engineers were the strongest. Microsoft second.
qaq超过 7 年前
People making sane choice very refreshing. I wish my company would make same decision.
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raides超过 7 年前
I am curious on the hardware build out used for the storage nodes. Some of the major issues I have seen with all the appliances out there for storage are the following:<p>1. Network throughput on the appliance is fast but for an Enterprise level the 10gigE cards used become a bottleneck for transactions because of how the software hypervisor scales the data. 2. Power consumption of the appliances in a rack mount environment are too high and leave needed space that has to stay empty because of the facility power per rack limitations. 3. The software hypervisor scales the stack vertically and relies on the software to load balance horizontally. The performance in a high transactional environment becomes dependent on the software to scale instead of the natural horizontal distribution that can be setup on the hardware out of the box. Standard multi-purpose storage arrays scale horizontal with very little over head from traditional software storage management. I only found one company whose software does not force the stack to be vertical but they fail to meet a reasonable performance in network&#x2F;power.<p>Streaming petabytes of data to keep a dynamic constant (static overall storage requirement that changes it&#x27;s data life cycle via retention rules) becomes very hard with premade hardware.<p>Does anyone have any recommendations or has attempted a similar exodus from S3 that they can share?
justonepost超过 7 年前
Is 500 petabytes really that epic? 1500 tapes? I could probably stuff that in the back of my minivan.
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iUsedToCode超过 7 年前
Dropbox is cool and all, but i hate their pricing model. I just want to keep about 50-100 GB there (i don&#x27;t hoard stuff). I don&#x27;t wanna pay $10 &#x2F; month for that. At backblaze i pay less than $0.5 &#x2F; month. I could pay quadruple, since Dropbox is a lot better service (and quite a different one, too). But not 20 times as much.<p>I know that Dropbox doesn&#x27;t care about my tiny dollars and all. But why not let customers pay for what they use? This &quot;constant growth&quot; bullshit is probably the reason they don&#x27;t care.
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shevy超过 7 年前
&gt; While cost is always something that we consider, our &gt; goal with our network expansion was to improve &gt; performance, reliability, flexibility and control &gt; for our users — which we have succeeded in doing,” &gt; a company spokesperson told TechCrunch.<p>Who believes this?<p>It was, easily noticable by everyone, wanting to reduce the cost. Which is fine, everyone does so, so why not admit that it was the primary impetus?<p>I would not want to outsource control over any larger company that I were to run to other, even bigger companies.
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sandworm101超过 7 年前
Three data centers &quot;biult&quot; by only the dozen people on the infrastructure team? Not possible. I wish articles like this wouldnt hype small teams where it is obvious that most all of the work was outsourced. It would seem that dropbox here was still operating as customer: ordering rather than physically biulding much of anything. Those dozen dropbox people were not running cables.
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kibwen超过 7 年前
The article is dated today, but isn&#x27;t this news from a few years ago? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;epic-story-dropboxs-exodus-amazon-cloud-empire&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;epic-story-dropboxs-exodus-ama...</a>
paxy超过 7 年前
They did this a while ago.<p>Here&#x27;s an article from last year with a lot more detail - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;epic-story-dropboxs-exodus-amazon-cloud-empire&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;epic-story-dropboxs-exodus-ama...</a>
notyourday超过 7 年前
(a) CAF ran out<p>(b) Without CAF, GC and AWS pricing is ridiculous - somewhat akin to paying $9.99&#x2F;lb for a Purdue chicken a day before the expiration<p>(c) Without the scale of AWS and GC one can get vendor prices at Google&#x2F;Amazon MFN + 10% any day or +5% after schmoozing.
knodi超过 7 年前
I&#x27;ll save you a click. Cost savings.
goptimize超过 7 年前
&quot;We’re talking about a company that had 1500 employees, with just around a dozen on the infrastructure team&quot; - what the rest 99% of the company is doing, marketing?
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flamedoge超过 7 年前
did Dropbox really only have 12 people in the infra team at the time?
uiri超过 7 年前
Can we remove &#x2F;amp&#x2F; from the end of the URL? Some people still use HN on a laptop or a desktop.<p>Also, as mentioned elsewhere in the comments here, it should be retitled to &quot;Why Dropbox decided to drop AWS&quot;
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mr_tristan超过 7 年前
Um, what is this crap? When did they actually move? How long did it take?<p>The title of this HN link leads you to believe this is recent, but the article makes it seem like a multi-year effort, that in fact, could have finished a long time ago.
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tcptraceroute超过 7 年前
The title here isn&#x27;t quite accurate.<p>Dropbox has moved user data from S3 to its own colocated data centers over the past few years, and is also doing compute in those data centers too. The compute actually existed for quite a long time - in the past you&#x27;d be talking to a Dropbox run server which would connect back to S3 to retrieve data.<p>Dropbox is definitely still an AWS customer, just not a major S3 or EC2 customer anymore. For example, all transactional email uses SES, and DNS is hosted on Route 53.