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What we need from Apple to make standalone Apple Watch podcast apps

374 点作者 qzervaas超过 7 年前

17 条评论

MBCook超过 7 年前
A little over a week ago I found out that watchOS 4 would show you the now playing screen by default when listening to something and couldn’t wait to install it.<p>It’s fantastic to be able to easily look at my watch to change the volume or skip track or go forward or backward in a podcast.<p>But then Overcast came up. And just like Marco said I ended up on installing it on my watch because I lost the ability to change the volume. The now playing widget still let me change the volume and I can use the little buttons to skip forward and backward 30 seconds.<p>But now I can’t choose which podcast I’m listening to from the watch. I can’t put the app on my watch because it actively brakes a useful feature.<p>All because Apple won’t provide a simple API the people have been asking for for two years now? It’s sort of made sense in the original watchOS I guess but once we got the ability to run apps on the watch and access the digital crown seems like an obvious step that volume control should’ve been provided.<p>Please, Apple?
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cbhl超过 7 年前
The entire time I was reading this piece, I couldn&#x27;t help but think, &quot;I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if Apple explicitly omitted that feature from the API to keep battery life reasonable on the Apple Watch.&quot;<p>Syncing progress for a podcast once every minute is excessive. Rather than polling, the app should update progress on the boundary transition (when starting the podcast app, when playback pauses, when bluetooth headphones disconnect, just before and after going to next&#x2F;previous podcast).
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DavidAdams超过 7 年前
This article is a great example of how the Apple Watch has failed to reach its potential almost entirely because of indifferent software product design on Apple&#x27;s part. I&#x27;m sure that ever Watch owner and developer can come up with a few other examples of things that the apple watch ought to be able to do but can&#x27;t. When I bought my Apple Watch, I had assumed that I&#x27;d be able to use it to view and control the podcasts I&#x27;m listening to on my attached iPhone, which is even more fundamental than what&#x27;s described in this blog post. But nope, not in any meaningful or useful way.<p>That being said, the Apple watch is still pretty good at pretty much one thing: when my phone beeps with a notification from one of many sources (SMS, eBay, Invision Trello, Messenger, etc) I need only glance at my watch. It&#x27;s also a decent exercise tracker.<p>But it could be so much more. Sadly, I think Apple has probably missed it&#x27;s best chance to recruit top developers, so it&#x27;s likely it will be relegated to fancy text reader and step counter forever.
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eddieroger超过 7 年前
I don&#x27;t think Apple needs to be told where their APIs are lacking for podcasting, as evident through the absence of standalone playback in their own Podcasts app, let alone an app at all. Either Apple can&#x27;t figure out how to take the podcast experience and make it a good one on the Watch, or more likely (I think), the way it would need to work would make the Watch experience bad. I imagine they&#x27;ve got the &quot;just play&quot; experience for music heavily optimized, but the callbacks Marco mentions probably do terrible things to the Watch&#x27;s battery and processor. Either way, this is a known desired thing, and if it could be done in a reasonable way, I&#x27;m sure they would have - they did put the &#x27;pod&#x27; in podcast, after all.
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synicalx超过 7 年前
I liked this piece right off the bat, not because the content is relevant to me but because it took responsibility and initiative, unlike many similar such articles I see on here.<p>The key is in the title &quot;What we need from Apple TO MAKE standalone Apple Watch podcast apps&quot;, rather than &quot;Why Apple needs to make a standalone Watch podcast app&quot;.
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kwerk超过 7 年前
I’ve considered setting up a cron job to change select podcasts in iTunes to music so they sync with the watch. No position sync or fast forward but enough for a run.<p>Having spent 24 hours with the cellular watch and taken two runs without the iPhone, this is now a near necessity.
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joshfarrant超过 7 年前
This is the single thing preventing me from buying an Apple Watch. I use Overcast to listen to podcasts on iOS and usually listen while running. As soon as Apple make these APIs available and Marco is able to create a watch app I&#x27;ll be straight down the Apple Store to give Apple my £429.
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Analemma_超过 7 年前
The Apple Watch might be selling well, but it&#x27;s definitely not getting the kind of 3rd-party app support Apple probably wanted to see (me and everyone I know who has one likes it, but only uses notifications and fitness tracking).<p>With that in mind, it&#x27;s crazy to me that Apple isn&#x27;t beating down Marco&#x27;s door to give him his requests. In the limited time that standalone Watch playback was in Overcast, even in its crappy implementation I used the hell out of it. Audio is one of the few home-run use cases for Watch apps, whereas in most other cases it&#x27;s so much simpler and easier to just use your phone. Why wasn&#x27;t that the first API implemented and the one polished to a shine? I hope they&#x27;re not trying to make Apple Music the only available option.
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uptown超过 7 年前
Ironic that progress sync is listed as the deal-breaker. That&#x27;s the one thing which doesn&#x27;t seem to work properly between my laptop and my iPhone with Apple&#x27;s Podcasts app and iTunes on the desktop.
_ZeD_超过 7 年前
offtopic, but on the page there is a note with:<p><pre><code> There’s one elaborate exception that we discussed in Under The Radar #98: workout apps, which are allowed to run in the background and play audio. So this all becomes possible if you combine a standalone podcast player with a workout app, and only allow podcast playback while a workout is active that was started from that app. But this forces the combination of two completely different app types, and users would find the workout-during-playback requirement confusing, inexplicable, and limiting. Requiring podcast apps to also be workout apps is a user- and developer-hostile hack that Apple probably doesn’t intend. </code></pre> whaaat? what kind of OS has this business rules so embedded?
izzard超过 7 年前
Somewhat off topic but somewhat related, I have tried a whole bunch of different smart watches and activity trackers, and my current favorite is made by Skagen.<p>Specifically, the &quot;Signatur Connected Leather Hybrid Smartwatch&quot;. It looks like an analog watch, but it has smart watch functions and connects to your phone with bluetooth.<p>Favorite things about it: It has an analog subdial that shows progress towards your daily step goal. It has three &#x27;real&#x27; analog buttons that you can connect to just about any function on your phone. I have one button mapped to start&#x2F;stop any music that is playing. Another button moves the hour and minute hands to point to the date. The third button sets off the ringer on my phone.<p>And the battery is a normal watch battery, which should last between 6 months and a year. Check it out, I think it hits the right balance between minimal analog watch and smart functions.
brlewis超过 7 年前
Why not just listen to the podcast only on the watch, since you always have it with you? What&#x27;s the use case for switching to some other device once the podcast is on your watch?
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ksec超过 7 年前
My guess is that Apple takes battery life over everything else. You can tell that Apple has kept a consistent Talk Time&#x2F; 4G usage time over the years with iPhone. And some of these consideration means Podcast on Apple watch a little harder to get right.<p>And I am wondering, how much would people paid for longer battery life on Apple watch? We do have the tech, solid state battery, it is simply too expensive if it is used in the size of smartphone, because solid state battery prices scale exponentially with size. But what about Smart watches?<p>Are user willing to paid extra $200 for LTE + Solid State Battery?
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drewg123超过 7 年前
Can somebody please, please, please make a podcast app for Android Wear? One that I can use without my phone, so I can go for a run&#x2F;hike&#x2F;walk with just my watch and headphones?<p>Even Google Play Music doesn&#x27;t sync podcasts to wear. Sigh.<p>I periodically search the play store for AW enabled podcast apps, but the best I&#x27;ve found are apps that put playback controls for the phone on the watchface. Sigh.
jjtheblunt超过 7 年前
Who is &quot;we&quot;?
whipoodle超过 7 年前
This thing still ain&#x27;t fully baked.
0xbear超过 7 年前
Do people still listen to podcasts? I lasted 3 months, and then moved to Audible.
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