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Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and population ageing may be why

94 点作者 monort超过 7 年前

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nradov超过 7 年前
Some of the decrease may be due to increased obesity and reduced cardiovascular fitness. Those factors are known to reduce cognitive ability. They're also correlated with age, although lately even young people have been getting worse on average.
Ygg2超过 7 年前
I don&#x27;t get it. Why is population ageing affecting Flynn effect? Don&#x27;t they test each new generation at same time? Or is this longitudinal study of a single generation (which is weird, since we can&#x27;t measure IQ correctly at later ages).<p>Alternative hypothesis. Presence of computers&#x2F;phones reduces need for working memory, so it doesn&#x27;t get exercised and leads to decline of it.
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subroutine超过 7 年前
It seems like with just a bit more effort the authors could have made a stronger case for their theory that aging is significantly impacting IQ scores by comparing IQ scores among people of the same age (e.g. 20-30 year olds) from decade to decade. They could also look at how IQ changes over a lifespan; there must be some within-subject data available where the same people took an IQ test when they were &lt;30 then again when &gt;60.
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vixen99超过 7 年前
OECD 2016<p>&quot;Young people in England are the most illiterate in the developed world with many students graduating with only a basic grasp of English and maths, an in-depth analysis by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has found. The OECD report rated English teenagers aged 16 to 19 the worst of 23 developed nations in literacy and 22nd of 23 in numeracy.<p>In contrast, pensioners or those close to retirement were among the highest-ranked of their age group.&quot;
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titanix2超过 7 年前
I can’t access the original study (sci-hub too slow), which countries are affected by the effect and which aren’t?<p>It would be interesting if China, Japan, Korea aren’t affected while Western countries are.
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lsd5you超过 7 年前
The premise of this article is flawed (to put it kindly). Surely no rigorous statistical study would fail to take age into account. So why is it even an issue (beyond a measuring technicality) being raised in a &#x27;science&#x27; journal? I think it is clear that as a society we don&#x27;t want science to be undertaken in this area and so consequently we end up with obscurantism (willingly or unwillingly). Or maybe we have already become to stupid to engage in science?
rwnspace超过 7 年前
Well... So what? As long as people are happy, literate and nice to one another I think fluctuations in IQ are not a huge problem in themselves. It&#x27;s only a problem if you think democracy the system can&#x27;t be improved upon, because you have to improve people to improve the output of democracies.<p>I&#x27;ve seen some things mentioned here that utterly baffle me, and confirm my bias that IQ is good for understanding but has little relation to wisdom or &#x27;overstanding&#x27;.<p>I am very worried about what will happen if we start doing rash things like mass removal of autistic embryos from the gene pool. I&#x27;ve seen it suggested too often, compared to the amount of people I imagine are actually deeply informed enough about both to speak on such things. It&#x27;s strange to me that such an idea is not automatically considered risky, or obviously married with unintended consequences.<p>On the surface of it, you might increase the median IQ by a few points. But you&#x27;d also miss out on the next Newton, Turing, Einstein, Kant, Cavendish, etc etc (I&#x27;ve plenty of other speculatives). There&#x27;s no free lunch. Shaking the Tree of Life and hoping something tasty falls out sounds very unwise to me. As far as I&#x27;m concerned the major problem for humans is not their absolute IQ levels - it&#x27;s arrogance relative to engineering capabilities.<p>Lastly: if we ever make it through climate change and out the other side with powerful AGI, I guess high IQ won&#x27;t be as central compared to EQ or creativity, except as something that roughly correlates with both.<p>Edited for clarity.
Will_Parker超过 7 年前
Pedantic, but average IQ scores have stayed the same over the years, exactly 100.
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EGreg超过 7 年前
What about the Flynn effect?<p>Could it be this:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.advancedsciencenews.com&#x2F;co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.advancedsciencenews.com&#x2F;co2-on-the-brain-and-the-...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thinkprogress.org&#x2F;exclusive-elevated-co2-levels-directly-affect-human-cognition-new-harvard-study-shows-2748e7378941&#x2F;amp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thinkprogress.org&#x2F;exclusive-elevated-co2-levels-dire...</a>
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iam-TJ超过 7 年前
Being a long-suffering thoughtful inquisitive type that can turn their hand to anything I have spent many hours pondering why it seems that most people around me show traits of &#x27;stupidity&#x27;.<p>I&#x27;ve come to the conclusion &#x27;stupidity&#x27; is not the issue; &#x27;unthinking&#x27; is, and the specific sub-type is &#x27;unable to apply logical analytical thinking&#x27;.<p>I have a relation who, when challenged that the way they&#x27;re doing some task is the opposite of optimal, responds along the lines &quot;I thought ...&quot;. In this case it is a sure sign that no logical analytical thinking took place.<p>Maybe the crux of the issue is that in general our societies have become so complex and fast-moving that technology, standard procedures (best practice), and fundamental measures of performance are changing so rapidly that very few individuals have the mental energy to keep up throughout their lifetime.<p>Some I&#x27;m sure have become tired of it and given up thinking altogether.<p>I would suspect many HN readers may have experienced this in their own highly technical fields alone.<p>For the general population who aren&#x27;t - or don&#x27;t want to be - interested in the world in general it&#x27;s easy to deliberately avoid learning simple tasks and instead &#x27;leave it to an expert&#x27; and continue in ignorance, or to expect someone else to have done it for &#x27;convenience&#x27;, or not want to attempt it because of the dangers due to &#x27;health and safety&#x27;.<p>Here in the UK at least there&#x27;s a very simple example of the culture behind this: the electric plugs on AC mains-powered equipment.<p>In the 1970s when a new item of white-goods for the kitchen arrived it was unlikely to have a plug fitted to the cable although some equipment came with a plug - you fitted it yourself and were expected to have the basic knowledge required to unscrew, strip the insulation from the cores, attach wires to poles, screw-down, insert fuse of specified rating, and screw back together. It often had a piece of card slid over the prongs with a diagram to help.<p>In the 1980s the cable almost always arrived with the cores cut to length and stripped and if you were buying a premium item the plug fitted by the supplier.<p>By the 2000s the plug was always fitted and more often than not it was molded onto the cable; and yet some of these still have the wiring diagram card attached. The plugs mostly no longer required the &#x27;lid&#x27; removing to get to and replace the fuse - there is a captive sliding carrier that pops out when pried with a flat-blade screwdriver.<p>By the late 2000s the three metal prongs (earth longest, live and neutral slightly shorter) were encased in a plastic sheath which you have to remember to remove or else it won&#x27;t fit into the wall socket.<p>Now, all of these incremental creeping changes can be seen as product improvements to provide greater convenience.<p>But the result is we now have several generations that have no idea about even the basics of the second most important technology in their lives: electricity (after water and food). They need an &#x27;expert&#x27; to do it for them.<p>Ditto for basic plumbing skills, routine car maintenance, and more and more I notice even preparing basic meals, cooking and baking from raw unprocessed ingredients.<p>Oh, and a humorous anecdote on the subject of food: about 15 years ago a 17 year-old friend of mine was visiting for a week and I asked if she would like fish and chips (fried potatoes to the North Americans!). I grew up on a farm and so fetched the 25kg bag and selected some potatoes ready for peeling and chipping.<p>This 17 year old (who ate chips from chip-shops frequently) had no idea that to make chips required peeling and slicing raw potatoes and was incredulous at the process; she &#x27;thought&#x27; chips just grew as long square pieces of potato - see: &quot;unthinking&quot;.<p>I was left speechless that something that I considered so obvious and fundamental had escaped her for 17 years!<p>Multiply these examples up for every major and minor aspect of coping in a modern technology-based society and the result is the appearance of &#x27;stupidity&#x27;.
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quantdev超过 7 年前
Or maybe it&#x27;s because, somewhat depressingly, IQ is <i>highly</i> hereditary, as research has shown for decades and new gene research is currently confirming, and people with lower IQs tend to have more children.
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ratsimihah超过 7 年前
Ageing? How about tech dumbing us down?
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empath75超过 7 年前
It doesn’t take much to bring eugenics supporters out of the woodworks these days does it.
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air7超过 7 年前
I like to play a little game I call &quot;HN matter anti-matter&quot; where I notice contradicting articles posted on HN and imagine them colliding and erasing each other...<p>In this case: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age (nautil.us) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15346635" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15346635</a>
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alexasmyths超过 7 年前
How on earth can they not figure this out?<p>I mean testing different age cohorts, should it be that hard?
throwaway6737超过 7 年前
An aging population is the obvious explanation--unless you can think of some other major demographic shifts that have occurred in these countries in recent decades.
edko超过 7 年前
If IQ = 100 * mental age &#x2F; real age, how is it measured in old age? If you are 80 and have an IQ of 50, would that mean you have the mind of a 40-year-old?
jhoechtl超过 7 年前
I attribute it to the incredible stupidity of our mass media. And &#x27;TV&#x27; of what sort ever. It has been a good thing to be forced to watch dull content. At least it was informative at times.