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Badger or Bulbasaur – have children lost touch with nature?

28 点作者 jansho超过 7 年前

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gilgoomesh超过 7 年前
I live in Australia. My kids are well-versed in British and American animals like squirrels, badgers, hares, raccoons, moose, bears and deer from childrens books and songs.<p>However, we don&#x27;t have any of them here in Australia.<p>Knowledge of animals and experience in nature are frequently unrelated. My kids spend plenty of time outside but how often do they see <i>animals</i> (other than the occasional bird)? They&#x27;re asleep when possums and fruit bats are around. They occasionally see kangaroos on their grandparents farm. In general though, they see cats, dogs and other pets: the animals we deliberately introduce to kids.
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serpix超过 7 年前
Connection with nature in my opinion does not equal knowing the names of all of the life found in nature. Connecting with nature means dropping your misguided identification as being somehow separate from nature. Experiencing the unmistakable unity of humans being a part of this earth just as any other life is what I call being connected. Putting a label on a bird is not an experience of anything but a symbol.
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yoz-y超过 7 年前
As an aside, I think that animal and plant names are the least transferable knowledge between languages. Quite regularly when i happen to need to use a name of some animal I know it in my mother tongue or in English but not in French or some combination of those. To me this shows that even though having a passable knowledge of living things (i used to consider plant and mushroom encyclopaedias as “fun reading” when I was little) I never had any motivation to re-learn it
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bantunes超过 7 年前
Children are a product of their environment. If adults don&#x27;t care about nature anymore, why should they?<p>It&#x27;s basically trips to the zoo and CGI characters to them.
Tade0超过 7 年前
I guess this knowledge followed the path of the knowledge of star constellations.<p>Why are constellations not something you&#x27;d normally know nowadays? Because most people don&#x27;t get to see them due to increasing light pollution and urbanization.<p>I for one had a proper look at the Milky Way for the first time when I was ten years old.<p>There&#x27;s simply currently less nature to behold in peoples&#x27; lives.
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randomstudent超过 7 年前
Regarding the study they mention(the one that shows that children recognize Pokemon better than real animals and plants).<p>There is an important aspect of this finding that the article doesn&#x27;t discuss. They don&#x27;t link to the study, so I can&#x27;t check for myself.<p>All the Pokemon names they mention are first generation. There are only 150 first generation Pokemon. It&#x27;s a relatively small closed corpus. They also have bright colors and are very easy to distinguish. How many species of animals or plants does England have? Way more than 150, of course. How large was the sample from which the ones used in the study were chosen? It wouldn&#x27;t surprise me if there were more than 150 relevant species that are needed to be knowledgeable in &quot;nature stuff&quot; in England.<p>Of course kids in urban environments don&#x27;t know much about naming animal or plant species, that&#x27;s just common sense. My beef with the study is that it doesn&#x27;t seem to go beyond the common-sense notion because of the problems above... Knowing a small limited corpus of highly distinct entities will always be easier than knowing the very large (although still finite) corpus of animal and plant species that might be quite similar on the surface (e.g. cork oak vs holm oak, bee vs wasp, cat vs lynx, etc)
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lifeisstillgood超过 7 年前
Childhood is training for adulthood. It is almost certain that software and<p>Back when children were made to read en mass there were panics about them spending too much time in doors and not playing outside. When TV came along, too much time watching TV not reading nooks. Now Ipads.<p>I agree - there needs to be a balance. humans are designed to be roaming outdoors. but 10,000 years ago ones life and prosperity depended on correctly identifying edible vs poisonous plants. Today a kids life &#x2F; prosperity depends on much more complex social and technological skills - and playing Pokémon with other kids will help improve both social and technological skills.<p>Don&#x27;t leave them to be pulled about by evil corporations in mindless adverts, but do encourage modern play as well as other things.<p>PS Tooling in this case matters. I can easily find OSS tools to run a firewall, less to audit web usage (netflow etc) but I want to be able to audit how much TV was watched (where is the API output from Netflix let alone from a damn TV aerial). How do I get a report off my iphone saying how many minutes (hours) I was looking at facebook? HN?<p>In order to make good choices we need good tools - and those tools are anti the interests of the peddlars - so I really want OSS to step up and take its place. but I am not sure how tractable the problem is.
wink超过 7 年前
A point I haven&#x27;t seen here is where the children learnt the Pokémon names from. Was it TV? Games?<p>I&#x27;m asking this mostly because I&#x27;m old enough to just have missed the Pokémon hype, but I did play Magic the Gathering. And it was absolutely no problem to &quot;kind of&quot; know 100s of cards and remember all the properties (incl a name) when just given the illustration or a name. And I still do remember some of this, 20 years later - because it was useful applied knowledge.<p>On the other hand, although having grown up in the city and not having a close connection to nature... I did learn some bird and animal species out of interest. And nothing ever stuck. I&#x27;m especially bad with birds and mix up everything. I guess I can really identify 10-20 species, everything else I just declared unlearnable and I think I&#x27;ll never try again. Of course I know an owl.. But the different species? Nope.
zimpenfish超过 7 年前
This is the original study from 2002 - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;citeseerx.ist.psu.edu&#x2F;viewdoc&#x2F;download?doi=10.1.1.477.3630&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;citeseerx.ist.psu.edu&#x2F;viewdoc&#x2F;download?doi=10.1.1.477...</a>
badgerohnosnake超过 7 年前
Here&#x27;s my attempt to correct this depressing state of affairs \s <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=pzagBTcYsYQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=pzagBTcYsYQ</a>
Jeremy1026超过 7 年前
Should have went with &quot;Beaver or Bidoof&quot; for the title.
k__超过 7 年前
I thought going to the zoo was a thing for kids?
Pica_soO超过 7 年前
Not only the children- most of the city-living adults too in my opinion. What is declared nature and what perverted- often reveals a totally warped perception.<p>When a re-introduced wulf hunts a sheep in a fence enclosed field, and eats it alive - that is considered acceptable nature. If a hunter would shoot said sheep outside the enclosure- that would be considered unnecessary brutal murder. Its like we humans, ironically the more dependent and closer to nature - the more, stopped being part of nature in these peoples eyes.<p>I also find it really interesting to what lengths some people go to fight for nature- as in venturing out in the woods, to saw through a perch post- which is totally unnecessary violence, as simply pissing near the feeding spot would make the hunt there nonviable for about a week.<p>And the animals out in the forest are totally idealized Disney versions for most people. The more stylish a animal looks, the more noble it is. Complete disregard for the &quot;characters&quot; out there- for example old boars, giving the &quot;its-safe&quot;-squeak to use young pigs as line of sight guinea-pigs for safety.<p>There are no deers, knowing that they are protected by hunting laws, parking there &quot;Bambis&quot; below the perch to protect them from foxes.<p>There are no animals, who loose the fear from man - or never had it. Badgers, Bears, Wulfes - all those why should they fear us, if they cant understand what we are and what tools are?<p>There is not contemplation for the strangeness of some of the creatures we routinely antromorphosize. There are horse-riders who do not get, the strict hierarchy that is a herd, and the spots and jobs within. They do not understand the concept of grooming friendships (which puts you on the exact same rank, if you get groomed back, below if only you groom, above if only you get groomed). Your horse does not know what hands are!<p>There are no over-testicled beasts in this world, that defend there territory against anything path-persisting.<p>There are no jock-groups among young animals pranking other animals.<p>There are no ravens &quot;hunting&quot; rabbits into car-traffic.<p>There is also no understanding on the terra-forming some animals attempt. Bucky the beaver wants your little settlement gone and flooded. He does not need protection after two generations- your house does.<p>But worst of all - there is no grasping of ones own footprint. To long for a second car- and then yell at the farmer&#x2F;oil-driller who allows for it to drive, that is deeply intellectually dishonest and social schizophrenia at its worst. Your Greenpeace donation does not give you absolution in anyone&#x27;s eyes. Quite contrary, it marks you as a continuous sinner, with a washing machine reflex.<p>What i observed, that helps nature along the most - is disorder and sloppiness. Just forget about those ten meters near the field-borders. Just leave that part of Forrest fallen into disrepair. Just dont harvest the fish from that pond this year. Just leave your wife bitching about how bad everything looks behind the house.<p>You will be surprised, how fast, how much will have a comeback. My dad used to be sloppy with our fish-pond- and one summer day i suddenly saw a Common kingfisher nesting there. If you want to do nature a favor, pick a spot to be protected from obsessive human compulsions on what nature has too look like.<p>Sorry, this turned out to be such a long post.
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ztjio超过 7 年前
Is there a single article on that site that&#x27;s not an extreme exaggeration of non-issues, including this one? Obviously I am exaggerating now, but, seems to be the spirit.<p>People learn about what matters to them. Random animals not native to your life do not matter to you. It&#x27;s really no big deal, we love to learn and our brains massively reward us for doing so especially when we actually believe it will matter. That is why it takes little effort to bring someone up to speed on flora and fauna that matters, when it really does.<p>Leave the rest of the concern to the biologists.
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