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Law of Jante

87 点作者 monort超过 7 年前

12 条评论

jernfrost超过 7 年前
I think foreigners tend to profoundly misunderstand what the law of Jante is about. It is not guidelines for how to behave in Scandinavia. It is a caricature we use ourselves to fight negative aspects of our culture. IMHO it is the negative aspects of things which are actually positive in Scandinavia. Humbleness, solidarity, consensus seeking, honesty are good Scandinavian virtuous. But there is always a flip side of the coin.<p>It is like in America, having faith in yourself and be proud of yourself are virtuous things, but there is also a flip side to it which is negative. That is bragging, being self centered and selfish. Taking sole credit for success of which you were only a participant.<p>Janteloven is not something to be celebrated but a rethotical tool to use against fellow Scandinavians when they are acting too negative towards an individual trying to do something great and new.
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interfixus超过 7 年前
Moderation and a comparatively egalitarian approach are quintessential Danish qualities, all too often thoughtlessly maligned and ridiculed. The fact is, for better or worse, these traits have served us well as a functioning society for the last thousand years, and in my guess, far longer back than that. A few data points: The last Danish regent or head of government to die violently was king Erik Klipping. The date may resonate with some Americans. It was the 22nd of November. But it was in the year 1286. We have had no real civil warfare since the late viking age. Some unrest leading up to the reformation (&quot;Count&#x27;s Feud&quot;) was actually a war against North Germans. The reformation itself was settled fairly amicably. No real bloodshed, the monks and nuns were often allowed to stay in their monastries for as long as they lived. No pitched battles in 1848&#x2F;49. A delegation went and saw the king. A democratic constitution was announced. An overwhelming majority of Danish jews escaped unharmed to neutral Sweden in 1943, a thing only possible because of a quiet but widespread support in the general population.<p>Really, we haven&#x27;t done too badly. But it&#x27;s not a societal model particularly well geared towards the present day influx of large numbers of people with quite different and often more muscular attitudes to everyday interictions.
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spectaclepiece超过 7 年前
You learn about this when you grow up in Sweden.<p>Wise people will tell you to disregard it as it won&#x27;t get you anywhere.<p>Wise listeners will take that advice to heart but also refrain from mentioning their progress too much as that might put sticks in the wheels when moving through society.<p>The end result is perhaps something resembling humbleness. Which, if it comes from the heart, is a beautiful quality to have and strive for. But when its imposed on you by society gets a slightly more ominous tint.
ThomPete超过 7 年前
As a Dane, this is what I grew up with. One of the reasons I love living in New York is that it&#x27;s simply non-existent.<p>However, I do think the Law of Jante exists in most small communities where being the same is considered a virtue.
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imartin2k超过 7 年前
As a German living in Sweden since more than a decade ago, I&#x27;ve often appreciated the impact the Law of Jante has on Swedish culture. However, at least in central Stockholm, many people nowadays express aversion against the Jante Law, as they associate it with the old socialist Sweden in which many of the freedoms (and choices) of today apparently didn&#x27;t exist. I&#x27;d assume though that it still works as a guiding principle in many decisions Swedes make and behavior they demonstrate - no matter what they publicly say about this philosophy. Compared to Germans and many other cultures I know, Swedes are pretty good at not taking themselves too seriously, which I consider to be a result of Jante.
vonnik超过 7 年前
Wow. I just learned about this on a visit to Norway. The way it was explained to me, this is one factor that could hold the Norwegians back as they move toward a post-oil economy, because they&#x27;re going to need to focus on sectors like tech where there&#x27;s huge variance in talent and outcomes which they&#x27;ll have to accept to make it work. That said, there was some great activity in Oslo during Innovation Week.
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schoen超过 7 年前
I&#x27;m reminded of <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;cities.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;cities.html</a> (and I was curious how much people who&#x27;ve lived in each place agree with the descriptions of the messages, and how stable they are over time).
digi_owl超过 7 年前
Not this again...
diminish超过 7 年前
How then in Sweden we have a startup boom?
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dixie_land超过 7 年前
are we seriously not gonna mention that this is a thing because Nordic countries have a homogeneous population?<p>try not to stand out when you&#x27;re the only person in the room that&#x27;s not a 6 ft tall pale skinned blonde
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DonbunEf7超过 7 年前
Leprous, a Norwegian band, has an album &quot;Tall Poppy Syndrome&quot; with lyrics which reflect this law: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=36HuYPnx5oE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=36HuYPnx5oE</a>
pdog超过 7 年前
You can condense the ten rules down to one:<p>1. You&#x27;re not to think.
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