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Speaking Ill of Hugh Hefner

41 点作者 Firebrand超过 7 年前

8 条评论

wallace_f超过 7 年前
&gt;But in every way that mattered he made those changes worse, our culture coarser and crueler and more sterile<p>I know that this is a political and personal, but hope this article and topic does not get shunned as yet another politically incorrect crime of thought.<p>There is something about culture that is at least approaching a resemblance to science: it is inescapable that cultures evolved alongside people over thousands of years as not just individuals, but groups competed for resources to survive. Therefore, our cultures--including ethics and morals--are not just incidental to random variables, but the product of the competition and very bluntly the deaths of untold numbers of people.<p>Since The Enlightenment and subsequent developments in Western ideology such as The Age of Reason, major aspects of status quo Western culture such as god-fearing Christianity have been tossed out as unreasonable. But there is maybe something to be careful about here. We are not as rational as we believe. Even scientists, even the greatest scientist ever, Newton, was a devoted Christian who spent countless hours studying and publishing secret messages in the Bible.<p>I&#x27;m not saying we should be Christians, but perhaps there were certain aspects of organized religion that were productive and the baby is now being thrown out with the bath water. If we are not rational, perhaps there is value in, for the time being, balancing logical reasoning with traditional culture. Right now it feels liberalism has us rethinking and reshaping everything.<p>For me personally, I am not afraid to say porn was an unredeemable and destructive vice in my life. It cultivated low self confidence in myself, and objectified and over-sexuaized women in my mind. I am glad to be away from that now.<p>I don&#x27;t think it is government&#x27;s role to restrict personal liberties either: if it works for you and everyone else involved, that&#x27;s none of my business. But culture could help guide us with this kind of thing.<p>After seeing some recent Bill Nye and Adam Savage productions, this growing theme of sexualizing children&#x27;s minds in particular is why I want to start a conversation. See NSFW: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.imgur.com&#x2F;26YWvus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.imgur.com&#x2F;26YWvus</a>
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k__超过 7 年前
Women I talked to said that he indeed normalise stuff that was considered immoral or perverse.<p>But on the cost of objectification of women.<p>Most of the people who profited were men.<p>The objectification is so ingrained that even people who do pornography on their own do mostly the &quot;sexy women with some guy&quot; stuff. Even stuff with domina&#x27;s is mostly focused on the women being sexy and some dude.<p>Sexy dudes are mostly a thing in gay porn, that&#x27;s why women often watch it.<p>Also, pornographic literature isn&#x27;t valued the same as pornography. People are saying that every one watches porn and it&#x27;s okay, but it&#x27;s considered strange vor funny when people, especially women, read this stuff.
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pmarreck超过 7 年前
You know, right after I heard he died I googled &quot;Hugh Hefner&quot; (literally, just that) and saw dozens of nice things being said about him from people in articles and tweets- he launched my career, he was always super nice, etc. Here he&#x27;s calling for aid&#x2F;donations: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;hughhefner&#x2F;status&#x2F;910213546977439746?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;hughhefner&#x2F;status&#x2F;910213546977439746?ref...</a><p>And then you juxtapose it with pieces like this, and you have to wonder: Is it possible to speak this well, or this ill, of almost <i>anyone</i>?<p>They say Hugh Hefner had no love for women... perhaps he just loved them too much.<p>EDIT: Downvoting merely for disagreement? Not classy.
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Jun8超过 7 年前
I felt compelled to make two points faced with a piece like this:<p>1. You may agree or disagree with Douthat&#x27;s premise but the general tone of the article is almost hysterical and has the quality of a freshmen Op Ed piece in a college daily. You may care less about Hefner but personally I see this as part of a pattern of extremism in expression that has taken hold of the NYT recently, I cancelled my longstanding membership a couple of months ago.<p>2. If you want to form a balanced opinion about Playboy&#x27;s role (and Hefner&#x27;s, by proxy since he was so influential) for good or ill in affecting women&#x27;s liberation movement and general culture, in addition to reading opiniated OpEds like (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;09&#x2F;29&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;sunday&#x2F;hugh-hefner.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;09&#x2F;29&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;sunday&#x2F;hugh-hefne...</a>) also consult the other side, one book I would recommend *The Century of Sex&quot; by James Petersen (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Century-Sex-Playboys-Revolution-1900-1999&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B000OV16OE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Century-Sex-Playboys-Revolution-1900-...</a>). For example, the storefront that Susan Brownmiller opened in Times Square in 1979 to educate women about pornography. The radical stance of one wing of the feminism movement against pornography is well-known (e.g. see <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2012&#x2F;09&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-space-in-between" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2012&#x2F;09&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-space-in-b...</a>).
dreta超过 7 年前
Articles by fedora-tipping allies gracing us with their superior moral values while providing biting commentary on current pop-culture events is exactly why i visit Hacker News.
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RickJWag超过 7 年前
Lotta truth in that article.<p>The author smeared Hef with the same brush used to dabble a little on Cosby, Trump and Clinton. You&#x27;ve got to admire that-- fair and balanced.
totalZero超过 7 年前
I suppose respect for the deceased has gone out of style.
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moomin超过 7 年前
100. It would be a very bad idea to call for a Speaker for the Dead for Hefner.