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Britain Moves to Criminalize Reading Extremist Material on the Internet

96 点作者 jackgavigan超过 7 年前

28 条评论

mosselman超过 7 年前
Sometimes it seems to me that the British government is intent on making V for Vendetta or 1984 happen in real life. The things they are doing are so scary and openly oppressive that I can only hope that they are trying to be a parody of themselves.
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akerro超过 7 年前
I hope this will efficiently solve the problem the same way problem of hard drugs has been solved for decades!
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villaaston1超过 7 年前
This is the same minister who was talking about the &quot;necessary hashtags&quot; a few months ago. She&#x27;s certainly not a _digital native_, or indeed even competent.<p>&gt; Speaking about preventing the upload of objectionable content, Home Secretary Amber Rudd said the government needs to get people who &quot;understand the necessary hashtags&quot; talking.<p>&gt; That was of course in addition to Rudd&#x27;s widely criticised remarks that encryption has no place in citizens&#x27; hands, in the wake of revelations that Westminster attacker Khalid Masood was using WhatsApp shortly before murdering pedestrians with his car.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.co.uk&#x2F;2017&#x2F;04&#x2F;03&#x2F;uk_home_secretary_amber_rudd_hashing_not_hashtags&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.co.uk&#x2F;2017&#x2F;04&#x2F;03&#x2F;uk_home_secretary_a...</a>
PeachPlum超过 7 年前
Does that mean it will be clearly labelled ?<p>Will I be able to check my remaining allocation at far-right-views.direct.gov.uk ?<p>They labelled Le Penn and AFD as &quot;far right extremists&quot;, can I only read their websites so many times ?<p>Is Islamofacism far-right ?<p>Can Jews be far-right ?
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fredley超过 7 年前
Where do you even start. Firstly, this is just a law Amber Rudd wants to make, it&#x27;s not anywhere <i>close</i> to being made into actual law, it&#x27;s very unlikely it will be. It&#x27;s probably more a bit of signalling&#x2F;posturing by Amber Rudd to appear as the &quot;Tough on extremists&quot; candidate in the forthcoming Tory leadership (and hence Prime Ministerial) election.<p>Secondly, even if this law was passed, it would never be actively used against the public. It would be used to throw more charges at people they have arrested already, or to have some charges to throw at people who they have arrested but can&#x27;t charge. It&#x27;s a handy catch-all (along with vague bans on pornography) that criminalises many normal people who have internet-connected devices. It means they can haul you over at Heathrow, search your device and say &quot;Ah! You&#x27;ve looked at this naughty thing! Too bad!&quot;, for example - giving the state an easy way to reject people they don&#x27;t like much more easily.<p>A lot of this approach stems from Theresa May herself, who spent many years as Home Secretary struggling to deport Anjem Choudary.
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tmnvix超过 7 年前
How do you know it&#x27;s extremist until you&#x27;ve read it?
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martinko超过 7 年前
Welcome to 1984. Really ironic that is happening in Britain (not that its not happening elsewhere).
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Quarrelsome超过 7 年前
Can we not just make a worm that does this thereby rendering everyone guilty? Better: target devices in Westminster exclusively so their own names turn up on the list.<p>I personally like how they&#x27;ve attempted to distinguish downloading and reading as if when you browse to a website it doesn&#x27;t download the HTML and store it in a temp cache on your local disk. This suggests that today the difference between innocent and guilty is the directory path of an illicit file. :D
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jlebrech超过 7 年前
far-right but not far-left, and the left will decide how far right you are.<p>also will certain passages or holy books be deemed extremists or not.<p>what of movies that they don&#x27;t like, will those be banned?
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mverwijs超过 7 年前
&quot;The law would move from criminalizing the downloading of information to simply reading it.&quot;<p>I cannot find the sources of that statement. Which law? Where is the text?
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return0超过 7 年前
I don&#x27;t much get the point - you &#x27;re making sure that journalists and ordinary people cannot use this material to extract information and in general find ways to deal with this plague. If anything you should find the people who read this material and send them to school.
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k-mcgrady超过 7 年前
Amber Rudd also said this week that techies were ‘patronising’ and she doesn’t need to understand encryption. She wants them to give her access to terrorist messages on WhatsApp etc. - but she’s not asking for a backdoor.
peteretep超过 7 年前
<p><pre><code> &gt; Britain has long relied on the &gt; presumed benevolence of the &gt; government </code></pre> Yes. That&#x27;s what parliamentary sovereignty actually <i>means</i>. We don&#x27;t have an actual constitution. In fairness, we&#x27;ve been at it for 90 years longer than the US has had a constitution, and so far it works.<p>Most of the worst excesses of US politics seem to go back to deep mistrust of government and people taking about their &quot;rights&quot;.
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DanBC超过 7 年前
this article is wrong. reading extremist material is already illegal in the UK.<p>the changes are to increase the sentence for repeated visits to 15 years.<p>since reading extremist material is already illegal the article could point to all the miscarriages of justice caused by people convicted for mere possession of a chemistry textbook or for journalistic research into terrorist organisations.
SideburnsOfDoom超过 7 年前
If you can be arrested and imprisoned for what appears in your browser, this is going to take rickrolling to a whole new level.<p>Also since this would be inspected from the ISP&#x27;s end of the pipe, it&#x27;s easy to simulate the network traffic of a lot of page views without the user ever seeing anything. See also &quot;curl&quot;.
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BrockSamson超过 7 年前
I was concerned by the lack of technical expertise in the home office when Theresa May was Home Sec. Now with Amber Rudd I am terrified. Here is a person who admits she doesn&#x27;t understand that which she is attempting to regulate, and doesn&#x27;t care either
oliwarner超过 7 年前
Britain has frequently been regressive when it comes to freedoms. It&#x27;s the classic nanny state and both the parties play into it. Labour want welfare to help people into work. Conservatives want to ban everything nasty to make people nice.<p>But while censorship in the UK is nothing new, I feel like we&#x27;re entering grand new era where I can send you a few links to extremist material, an encrypted USB stick without keys and you disappear into a black hole. Forever.<p>If that —or even the heightened fear of that— isn&#x27;t terrorism, I don&#x27;t know what is. I certainly feel more threatened by accidentally breaking a law than terrorists where I am.
nbevans超过 7 年前
Amber Rudd is a lightweight. She almost lost her seat at the snap general election - she&#x27;s deluded if she thinks the CCHQ would let her become the PM whilst in her &quot;unsafe seat&quot;.
phatbyte超过 7 年前
This is just ridiculous. Where do you draw the line? Today is religion, tomorrow maybe a technical paper on hacking or whatever.<p>We need to discuss this as a society, not hiding it.
projectant超过 7 年前
It&#x27;s an unpopular view but I think this is a good start.<p>Why? Violence is supported and enabled by the narratives people use to justify it. Some element of policing &amp; countering the narrative is going to control ideas that embolden people to commit crimes or to harm others.<p>It&#x27;s really no different than saying the way we talk about women, or PoC, or gender, or sex helps constructs the reality of how we behave. A lot of people are already shouldering the burden of trying to police and counter how other people speak and think, but they are often not backed up by legislation in doing so.<p>Trying to stamp out the wrong ways people talk and think about other people is part of making a society that is more free and just.<p>I think actually in this case 1984 has the unfortunate chilling effect of making it so easy to equate any sort of control with dire, evil and illogical totalitarian government. It&#x27;s the sort of &quot;short circuited&quot; thinking that i think impedes people actually thinking clearly or deeply or even at all about these things. In that sense, having neat metaphors from literature to reach for actually harms the public discourse, because it is silenced before it can start.<p>We do need to be talking about these things, and looking at them, not stereotyping and simplifying them, so I think a proposed piece of legislation is a good start and a sign that people are waking up to the importance of the stories we tell each other about who we are, and what&#x27;s okay, in shaping and normalizing the culture and society we have.
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keitarofujiwara超过 7 年前
I can&#x27;t wait for them to start defining what extremist material is.
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milesf超过 7 年前
Where is the actual text of the law? Link or it didn&#x27;t happen.
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flotillo超过 7 年前
If someone is repeating watching beheading videos, engaging in terrorism forums, reading bomb-making instructions, and other such material, then I would rather prefer the police and the justice system to get involved. Better that than another terrorist attack that could have been stopped.<p>It saddens me that a rational move to prevent terrorism in its formative stages leads to such a knee-jerk negative reaction, with commenters ranting about &quot;1984&quot; and &quot;infringing our civil liberties&quot; and &quot;leftist censorship&quot; and other such overreacting nonsense.
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inasring超过 7 年前
How would you enforce something like prohibiting reading content online? You just watch what everyone&#x27;s reading all time
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0xbear超过 7 年前
Next thing to criminalize is thinking “extremist” thoughts. All for the benefit of her majesty’s subjects, of course.
enterx超过 7 年前
Burn the books too! :D
andy_ppp超过 7 年前
I wish we had a constition in this country; if a Donald Trump ever got in here he would have literally limitless power to lock up journalist or anyone he didn’t like really.
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nnfy超过 7 年前
Meanwhile we are lobbying for net neutrality legislation which gives out own government (famous for freedoms like the patriot act) additional power over ISPs by reclassifying them as common carriers.<p>Do you really want your government deciding what is and is not neutral content delivery? No one sees any way in which it can go wrong?
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