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How Pure Is This Cup of Joe?

140 点作者 szczys超过 7 年前

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gwern超过 7 年前
&gt; Finally, I used LibreOffice to tabulate and graph the data, and perform t-tests. T-tests are simple statistical tests used to determine the probability that a null hypothesis (H0) is correct. If it is less than 5% probable that the null hypothesis is correct given our data, we will reject the null hypothesis and consider our alternate hypothesis (HA) to be correct.<p>Obligatory stats nerd: that&#x27;s not what a p-value means, that reverses it.
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shill超过 7 年前
Does anyone know what the fish oil additive is used for?<p>I was recently researching how Trader Joe&#x27;s coffee is so inexpensive and found some reviews noting a &quot;fish sauce&quot; flavor and a &quot;fishy&quot; flavor in two TJs coffee products.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thrillist.com&#x2F;culture&#x2F;best-trader-joe-s-coffee-tasted-and-ranked-by-toby-s-estate-experts" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thrillist.com&#x2F;culture&#x2F;best-trader-joe-s-coffee-t...</a>
BugsJustFindMe超过 7 年前
[edit] Here&#x27;s a photo of the back of a bag of his &quot;reference&quot; Trung Nguyen S blend. It explicitly says that it has flavorings in it, including &quot;coffee flavor&quot;. Omfg.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;KeSYq" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;KeSYq</a><p>---<p>I guess the guy had fun, but the conclusion is a few giant leaps away from the actual results. Many of his decisions and assumptions were entirely arbitrary, not well substantiated, and lacking just about anything approaching rigor.<p>His <i>reference coffee</i> is &quot;A blend of Arabica, Robusta, Chari (Excelsa) and Catimor beans&quot;[1], roasted in a special style, and brewed in one particular way with no mention of temperatures involved or any other variable that alters the outcome of brewing coffee.<p>Trung Nguyen coffees are as far as I know usually adulterated with chocolate and other flavoring either during or after roasting. This is not a bad thing. It smells and tastes goddamn fantastic and they are my favorite coffees in the world. But it&#x27;s not exactly a good reference.<p>His <i>reference chart</i> includes only two of those bean types and specifically references green beans, not roasted beans, not butter roasted beans, and not beans roasted at any particular range of temperatures or durations.<p>He doesn&#x27;t indicate that a <i>reference coffee</i> was chosen based on lowest wholesale cost, which might have been a reasonable decision factor for a street vendor, but rather just that it seems to be commonly available on the consumer market without regard for composition or lack of monopoly.<p>His <i>reference not-coffee</i> is only one of plausibly dozens of different not-coffee substances.<p>His <i>reference not-coffee solution</i> is based on approximately tasting like terrible coffee. Whaaaaaat.<p>And even if you choose to ignore any or all of the above, nothing about his method tests for <i>coffee</i>. Coffee is generically an extremely complex blend of varying volatile compounds, but specifically it is an infinity of different complex blends of varying volatile compounds. And his process doesn&#x27;t actually test for any of them. It tests for some secondary characteristic that one mixture possesses, ability to change the color of iodine, but that one arbitrarily different other chemical does not possess to the same degree under the assumption that all real coffee changes the color of iodine the same and that all non-coffee also changes the color of iodine the same. These are exceptionally ridiculous assumptions.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.trung-nguyen-online.com&#x2F;trung-nguyen-coffee-order.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.trung-nguyen-online.com&#x2F;trung-nguyen-coffee-order...</a><p>&gt; <i>Overall it sounds like a reasonable test for the amount of coffee in something</i><p>No, it really does not.<p>This is what happens when people think that &quot;science&quot; is synonymous with measuring shit.
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coconut_crab超过 7 年前
I thought the rumour here says that the fake coffee is made of roasted soybean (to add bulk), quinine (bitter), gelatin (thickness), not ready made artificial flavourings as was tested in the article. Although I highly doubt that there is no coffee content in street vendor shop, as it doesn&#x27;t make sense financially (Vietnam is the 2nd largest coffee producer), so the rumour is the same as &quot;Chinese plastic rice&quot; or &quot;Chinese fake eggs&quot; IMO.
pasbesoin超过 7 年前
Need to read the article, but after recent occasional experiences with an associate&#x27;s, I&#x27;ve been wondering whether the flavor profiles I experience with K-cup coffee servings are due to flavoring agents. The flavors have that kind of uniformity and intensity. And I am rather suspicious of their coming from a package of pre-ground coffee with a shelf life of months or years and manufactured&#x2F;sold at the price point their are finding.
trisimix超过 7 年前
You should test the major chain coffees
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