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The Western Elite from a Chinese Perspective

533 点作者 monsieurpng超过 7 年前

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11thEarlOfMar超过 7 年前
&quot;... randomness is not merely the noise but the dominant factor. And those reasons we assign to historical events are often just ex post rationalizations. As rising generations are taught the rationalizations, they conclude that things always happen for a reason. &quot;<p>I didn&#x27;t realize it until contemplating this statement, but this applies to interpersonal relationships as well as nations. It is the root of tolerance and acceptance. People wind up where they are largely through circumstance, not intention. Circumstance may be as finite as meeting a person in a purely random situation who then goes on to change your life.<p>Yet we lionize persons we deem successful and study what led them there, rationalizing that the set of attributes that we can observe about them must be the cause of their success. And in speaking with them personally, you&#x27;ll find, in many cases, impostor syndrome because they understand the randomness that played in their favor.<p>I make a conscious effort to keep that in mind. It helps keep me from becoming judgmental.
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PoliteTwig超过 7 年前
I find it interesting that the author only considers America from the top down - from the perspectives of institutions (Stanford, Goldman Sachs, Costco) and slogans (American Dream, All people deserve to live healthy lives). Part of me wonders if that’s due to America&#x27;s own marketing, or due to his upbringing in a more totalitarian government, but for most Americans these perspectives are just as foreign.<p>At dinner tables and in churches all across the country, you hear people say &quot;God is in control”. You’ll hear reminders to be humble and appreciate what you have, because anyone can get ill at any time, or lose all all their belongings in fire, or any number of bad events. The chaos out there is real, whether one believes in it or not. And there&#x27;s an even bigger danger in trying to control the chaos, and history has plenty of examples (Mao&#x27;s China and USSR most recent). The limited government in America was founded on a distrust of power, top-down control, and people who want to control the world. Without that bottom-up perspective, America will never make sense.
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thetruthseeker1超过 7 年前
I thought it was a good&#x2F;enjoyable article and it shed light on many things for me.<p>Reading some of the comments below, and having known some Chinese people ( I am not east asian) I want to point out that it seems like many people missed the intention&#x2F; tone of the author. I think his intention was not to brag as some people have misunderstood, but to provide context to how he got to where he got to.<p>His communication style is different compared to the western style of communication. There is no single coherent message he is trying to drive purposefully or tacitly, but my guess is he was hoping you learn whatever you can from his experience and his way of thought.<p>Sure the article title could have had the words ‘random’ and ‘musings’ in the same sentence..... meh!
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bespoke_engnr超过 7 年前
&gt; Her life, up to that point, was very similar to the life that I have been living. And I am sure that, at the time, she was as optimistic about her life as we are today about ours. But she went to the UK in 1935, and she went back to China around the founding of the People’s Republic of China. Her education abroad, in a capitalist country, and her belief in individual rights and freedom often placed her on the wrong side of various political campaigns and the Cultural Revolution. She lost numerous friends and family members, including her husband and daughter during these years. She barely survived a long period of imprisonment herself. It was not until the 1980s when she managed to get a passport and could move to live with her relatives abroad. On the ship to Hong Kong, she kept thinking about her decision to return to China all those years ago.<p>For those of you wondering, the book he was reading is &quot;Life and Death in Shanghai&quot; by Cheng Nien. For me, that was the most interesting part of the article.<p>I know very little about modern Chinese history and this seems like an interesting place to start.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Life-Death-Shanghai-Cheng-Nien&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0802145167&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Life-Death-Shanghai-Cheng-Nien&#x2F;dp&#x2F;080...</a>
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roberthluo超过 7 年前
Reading about the west from a Chinese perspective is a breath of fresh air. Similar in background to the author, I have come to the same conclusion; that everything in life is based on a bit of luck and achievement. He also absorbed, which is somewhat unusual in my opinion the differences between U.S. and the U.K. I think he has a much more nuanced view of all three societies that he has written.
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paulpauper超过 7 年前
<i>Eventually I was able to meet the chief financial officer of my favorite company, Costco. He told me that they don’t hire any MBAs. Everyone starts by pushing trolleys. (I have seriously thought about doing just that. But my wife is strongly against it.) Maybe, I thought, that is why the company is so successful—no MBAs!</i><p>that&#x27;s pretty amazing..is this really true? So if someone applied for marketing or accounting, they would still have to push carts?
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stevenwoo超过 7 年前
Slightly off topic, but in the early 90&#x27;s I had to help rewrite the resume of the Chinese friend of a Chinese friend and she was very proud of the fact he graduated from the number one university in China. He had very poor English writing skills so I just unmangled it, did not have difficulty conversing with him, but I was not aware of the admissions difficulty being so high there compared to the Stanford&#x2F;elite US universities as the writer says, this was about the time the WWW came online so was not so easy to google the answers back then.
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brobdingnagians超过 7 年前
1. People who believe they can affect their own future and have control over there circumstances tend to have higher self-esteem and happiness. That tells you at least something about what you might _want_ to believe.<p>2. Montesquieu had a theory that people in history rode the wave of what was happening at the time, so Napoleon would not have become Napoleon if he was born in a different time, _but_ if Napoleon had not take control, someone else would have, since circumstances were ripe. Therefore, a person who knows how to read the events &amp; choose a good strategy for the time in which they live will usually be at least moderately successful, and someone incapable of that will nearly always be mediocre. There are outliers and extremely fortunate or unfortunate events, but part of strategy is not becoming a negative outlier and optimizing for higher success. You may miss a specific opportunity, but if you are always looking for opportunity, you will find one of the ones that come along.
throw2016超过 7 年前
Its an interesting piece and some of the responses here seem uncharitable even defensive, as if he has questioned sacred gods.<p>It&#x27;s not individuals reacting but jingoism, our generation was brought up on the idea of globalism and humanism, that we can connect as individuals. But as one gets older it seems jingoism is as alive as ever, only concealed better, where some things are taken for granted and not to be questioned while pointing fingers at others, judging others and making negative assumptions is perfectly ok.<p>Reluctance to introspect on your own society while cheering on those who criticize their own is a losing game.
SadWebDeveloper超过 7 年前
&gt; UK’s university system is considered superior to China’s,..., about one in ten applicants gets into Oxbridge in the UK, ...,but in Hebei province in China, where I am from, only one in fifteen hundred applicants gets into Peking or Qinghua University<p>&quot;western universities&quot; aren&#x27;t only for &quot;the best and brightest&quot; but also for those who can afford it, this narrowly reduces the number of applicants.
mlinksva超过 7 年前
&gt; One class was about strategy. It focused on how corporate mottos and logos could inspire employees.<p>Probably not intended as such, but I&#x27;ll take it as a hilarious send up of &quot;strategy&quot; and will recall it whenever I witness &quot;strategy&quot; being used vacuously.
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isoskeles超过 7 年前
&gt; So I bought a heart rate monitor and checked my resting heart rate. Right around 78. And when the professor said to me in class “Puzhong, I can see that story brought up some emotions in you,” I rolled up my sleeve and checked my heart rate. It was about 77. And so I said, “nope, no emotion.” The experiment seemed to confirm my prior belief: my heart rate hardly moved, even when I was criticized, though it did jump when I became excited or laughed.<p>Yikes.<p>&gt; In Communist China, I was taught that hard work would bring success. In the land of the American dream, I learned that success comes through good luck, the right slogans, and monitoring your own—and others’—emotions.<p>I don&#x27;t understand the value of this analogy. In Communist China, I was <i>taught</i> (something that is done to you) something <i>false</i>, but in the U.S. I <i>learned</i> (note: not taught, learned) something <i>X</i>.<p>Is it true or false? Because it matters whether or not something is true or false. I&#x27;m sure the author thinks what he is writing is true, otherwise, why write it? But he just directly compared something he decided on his own to something he was taught to be true that was actually false. This is really murky, and I don&#x27;t care enough about his feelings about Cambridge or Stanford or Costco to try to make any more sense of it.
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dibstern超过 7 年前
I’m only part way through this so far, but it seems like you think in terms of absolutes -&gt; either the world is entirely random, or it is entirely causal. Why can it not be a mix of both, of coincidence and causal relationships, some of which are intentionally planned.
t3rseCode超过 7 年前
I&#x27;m curious for other immigrants with kids, how difficult is it to break from the more deterministic &quot;study hardest for success&quot; vs relaxing a bit to optimize for happiness and embracing the impact of luck.
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rdtsc超过 7 年前
&gt; My parents by then had reached the conclusion that I was not going anywhere promising in China and were ready to send me abroad for high school.<p>Maybe the title should be &quot;The Western Elite from a Chinese Elite Perspective&quot;. Surely sending kids to school to UK as plan B is not in the average Chinese family&#x27;s abilities. Doesn&#x27;t mean we should discount the article or its ideas but it&#x27;s useful to keep the author&#x27;s background in mind.
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not_that_noob超过 7 年前
Probably better titled “Life is a random walk”. I completely agree with his premise - ‘success’ in life, however defined, seems largely a function largely of luck. Those who see the world for what it is - rather than what received dogma teaches - understand this truth.
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Hendrikto超过 7 年前
&gt; Eventually I was able to meet the chief financial officer of my favorite company, Costco. He told me that they don’t hire any MBAs. Everyone starts by pushing trolleys.<p>The CFO went to university himself. What an ass...
throwaway71324超过 7 年前
It&#x27;s rather poetic that the author who was marinated in the cold-hard &quot;we know best&quot; culture of Communism, then in its self-congratulatory more stochastic variant of occidental capitalism, to come back to what was once the core wisdom of the orient, yet not appreciate it.<p>Pity that while the Europeans destroyed the traditions of much of Asia&#x27;s (incl., sadly, much of India&#x27;s), that the Chinese themselves destroyed a large part of their own heritage.
zcase超过 7 年前
&quot;Rather, the increase in inflation was due to things like tax increases, exchange rate fluctuations, oil price moves, etc.&quot;<p>It seems to me that tax cutting could lead to increased consumption and therefore a reduction in GDP slack and upward pressure on prices (inflation). Why is it that tax increases would lead to inflation?
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sgt101超过 7 年前
Success or failure - these are the wrong perspectives. Happiness, fulfilment and experience; when you&#x27;re on your death bed you&#x27;ll not think back warmly to all the money you made, or the great job titles you held.
hacker314159超过 7 年前
&quot;I told him about the black swan I kept on my desk as a reminder that low probability events happen with high frequency&quot;<p>Uh... wouldn&#x27;t low probability events happen with low frequency? Am I missing something?
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mcguire超过 7 年前
Could someone explain the point of this article? All I&#x27;m getting are:<p>* Everything is random.<p>* A generic Chinese man, who did really well on one test is smarter than most people in Britain.<p>* Americans, who are capitalists, don&#x27;t seem to want to focus their lives on the supposed end goal of capitalism.<p>* MBA programs are nuts, especially if you are on the spectrum.<p>I&#x27;m probably wrong about most of those, but like the author, I just don&#x27;t see the coherent picture.
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binarysolo超过 7 年前
Looks like the author also arrived at a similar conclusion:<p>“It&#x27;s not about the cards you&#x27;re dealt, but how you play the hand.”
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kk58超过 7 年前
His connclusion mirror&#x27;s the central tenant of bhagavad gita. &quot;Karmanye vadika raste ma phalechu kadachana&quot;. Do your duty as best as you can , without expectation of results
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typetehcodez超过 7 年前
This story immediately reminded me of Scott Adams. He spent some time working on financial models before writing Dilbert. If you can stomach polarizing political viewpoints from a cartoonist, I would highly recommend reading his non-Dilbert books and giving his blog a thorough reading. His reflections on life touch on the role of luck, the limitations of prediction models, and framing worldviews from multiple perspectives as a way to narrow down on success, influence, and the very meaning of life.
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bsaul超过 7 年前
I can&#x27;t help but think that the conclusion being &quot;whatever happens happens, and your actions have very little to do with what your life&#x27;s going to be&quot; is a very zen &#x2F; taoism &#x2F; asian philosophy cliché.<p>Maybe the reason the west is successful lies in the belief that individuals matters. If that&#x27;s the case, then i suppose the OP still has a long way to go.
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stuartaxelowen超过 7 年前
All patterns are post rationalizations.
Exo_Tartarus超过 7 年前
I&#x27;m not exactly sure what the point of the article is or what the author is trying to say. It&#x27;s pretty much an abbreviated biography bookended by some attempts at philosophizing. It is interesting to hear how much easier the author found his British curriculum than his Chinese. I was also amused by how he mocked his Stanford MBA curriculum, and how the career office people were dismissive of his passion to make money.<p>Smart hard working people succeed much more often than they don&#x27;t. Born into difficult circumstances, their probability of &#x27;success&#x27; (accumulating prestige and wealth) is much higher than for others.<p>Of course sometimes circumstances are too oppressive to overcome, and sometimes the stupid and lazy are elevated in spite of themselves... But these are exceptions.
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gleenn超过 7 年前
&quot;Have I gotten smarter? Or is it just that British people are stupider than the Chinese?&quot;<p>Wow, false dichotomy and either racism or ego, take your pick.<p>Hard to keep reading after that.
bouvin超过 7 年前
&gt; &quot;In Communism, the future is certain; it is only the past that might not be&quot;<p>A fine essay, the above quote gave me a chuckle.
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lilfatbitch超过 7 年前
&gt;I had the second-worst grades in the class and had to sit at a desk perpendicular to the blackboard so that the teacher could keep a close eye on me<p>Maybe he had the second-worst grades from not knowing the meaning of &quot;perpendicular&quot; even though he studied math
alexasmyths超过 7 年前
The most odd thing for me was the bit about how he didn&#x27;t understand how &#x27;long-term greedy&#x27; would not inspire most people.<p>Also - we should consider that the kinds of kids who grow up super talented, go to Goldman and top Schools etc. are probably not very representative of the Chinese population.
fahayekwasright超过 7 年前
Interesting that in one section, he casts doubt on the notion that mathematical models can accurately describe reality, and in another, he uses a heart rate monitor to conclude that he doesn’t have emotions.
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iheartstartup超过 7 年前
he misses many points, including the meaning of the phrase &quot;long-term greedy&quot;. It is not about &quot;everyone else in the market was short-term greedy and, as a result, we took all their money. Since traders like money, this was inspiring.&quot;, but a philosophy of enlightened self-interest, which I suspect would resonate with the class and professor more. Yet he subtly uses this as an anecdote about how MBAs are dumb and the classes &quot;herd mentality&quot;. What aarogance!
KaoruAoiShiho超过 7 年前
&gt; In Communist China, I was taught that hard work would bring success. In the land of the American dream, I learned that success comes through good luck, the right slogans, and monitoring your own—and others’—emotions.<p>FTFY:<p>&gt; In highschool, I was taught that hard work would bring success. In college, I learned that success comes through fooling people with good marketing.