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Can The Y Combinator Idea Turn Into A Movement?

47 点作者 konsl大约 17 年前

9 条评论

ChaitanyaSai大约 17 年前
Will proliferating seed companies start looking like micro sub-prime mortgage traders? They operate on the similar assumptions: pooling small, high-risk investments hoping that these individual bets are unrelated, thus driving down the variance when bundled together. This is probably only true for the seed company that gets to cherry pick first, which seems to be YC as of now. Assuming an initial chance of success of 1/100 for the groups that are selected by YC, the chance that every single one from a group of 100 fails is about .36. That means that on an investment of about 1.5 million dollars (100 * 15,000) they have a 64 percent chance of a success, which I loosely define as a big acquisition or buyout. Also, YC companies seems to prop each other up and drive up success rates through intelligent nurturing and beneficial network effects. I'd guess that the payout probabilities are much higher over a three-four year period.<p>Now I am highly skeptical that the same math extends to other seed companies. Do they get applicants of the same caliber when there are so many second tier seed companies to choose from for a prospective applicant? People are willing to uproot their youthful lives and move for YC, but will they do the same for Techstars or LaunchBox? Probably not, at least not for 15,000 dollars and little else. If I throw in the assumption of a power-law distribution for startups, the quality goes downhill rather rapidly. And additionally, if YC happens to be decently good at identifying truly promising candidates and taking them all into their fold as they claim to, it the median success probability for the rest is going to be rather low. Assuming an order of magnitude drop-off, that gives an payout probability of .09 ( 1-(1-1/1000)^100 if they are operating on same scales as used for YC). The number of seed companies sprouting is surely going to be limited by such math...
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ojbyrne大约 17 年前
I would tend to agree that YC cookie-cutter clones are probably not going to succeed, but there are probably niches that are underserved. One that immediately comes to mind, just from the various discussions here, is the "I want to found a company, but I'm not in the US, and there's no such thing as a company founder visa."
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wheels大约 17 年前
I'm surprised that the responses here thusfar are negative. Right now there are certainly more companies being funded by later stage VCs than YC knock-offs, so there's obviously a large enough pool of companies that can make it to that next phase. But can seed groups pick them?<p>I'll just make up some numbers:<p>Let's assume that the seed investment gets diluted down to 2% before an exit, and let's assume a buyout of $5 million. If we pretend that the only costs of running a seed firm are the investments, with seed investments of $15k, that means one successful at that level would cover 13 startups.<p>YC seems to be shooting for successful exits of 1/3 of their startups. If a group emulating could even do a quarter as well as YC hopes, then they'd come out ok (using my pretend numbers).
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jgrahamc大约 17 年前
Movements require charismatic leaders. You can duplicate the $$$, you can duplicate the choice of companies, but can you lead them?
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pchristensen大约 17 年前
Comment that turned into a blog post:<p><a href="http://www.pchristensen.com/blog/articles/can-ycombinator-be-beaten-at-its-own-game/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pchristensen.com/blog/articles/can-ycombinator-be...</a>
brlewis大约 17 年前
His blog is itself an example of the small-neuron phenomenon. If you're running the noscript firefox extension you see there are 26 sites trying to run JavaScript on just this one page.
noonespecial大约 17 年前
That would require at least 3 people to walk in, sing a bar of "Alice's Restaurant" and walk out.
fredwilson大约 17 年前
great comments. can disqus get these comments into the comment thread on my blog where I posted this question? i love that you are all discussing this and that there are 22 comments here. but i got 34 comments on this post on my blog. it seems that we'd all be better served if there was one thread with 56 comments.
sabat大约 17 年前
The hard part is not gathering the money, but knowing who to back. That's why there are not a million successful Y-Combinators.<p>OTOH it is probably possible to figure out how PG and company are judging the people and ideas, and duplicate the methodology.<p>The world doesn't need a bunch of bad YC clones, but it sure could use a few more good ones. :-)
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